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Solved Buddleja davidii?

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  1. MAJ

    MAJ Apprentice gardener

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    P1040128.JPGP1040128 (2).JPG What's this, please?
     
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    • Tetters

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      It certainly looks like a Buddleia @MAJ , although it is hard to say which variety without looking at the flowers :)
       
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      • mazambo

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        Definitely Buddleia and I agree with Tetters.
         
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          I agree with Tetters that it seems to be a Buddleja. Is that a recent image as it seems to be very
          short and the stems thin and new.? They're tough survivors and usually welcome in most gardens. They are vigorous in growth and will grow from a short pruned plant in the Spring to around 8' in height and width. so that plant in the corner of your image might get swamped.. They're easily kept under control by annual pruning and easily propagated by taking a cutting, stripping off the bottom leaves, and then just sticking them either in a pot of compost or directly into the ground. Some years ago I used some Buddleja stems that I'd cut over 3 years before and stored for Pea Sticks. Within a month those "Pea Sticks" were pushing out leaves and growing in height as young plants:heehee: I have 4 Buddlejas in my garden and they're great for attracting Bees and Butterflies, etc, and I wouldn't be without them. If you do decide to keep it then in Spring prune the stems back leaving 2 or 3 shoots on each stem and it will grow away happily.:coffee::snorky:
           
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          • MAJ

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            Thanks, It's not mine and it is new plant and a new client. It's a very small stepped garden. Would it wise to move it elsewhere or even pot it - assume it will get too big otherwise? Behind it, is a young climbing rose that will be trained along the fence.
             
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            They can get massive if left to grow unchecked, my neighbour had one in a large terracotta pot which the buddleia split in half, I did grow one in a large plastic pot but it didn't do to well I think they are to rampant for pots.
             
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              To be honest, MAJ, it looks like it's in the wrong place and will overwhelm the climbing rose and any other plant nearby. Potting up a Buddleja is a temporary solution and you would need a massive container to plant it permanently in so the the Buddleja could grow properly. Having said that wild Buddlja will grow in the gutters and brickwork of old or abandoned buildings and I have often seen them doing just that.
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              But, in reality a pot is not a good thing for Buddlejas and they are far happier planted in the ground. If you do want a Buddleja in your garden then there are dwarf varieties such as

              Buddleja "Red Chip"
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                I agree that it's in the wrong position. They are prolific growers and need controlling if in a small garden but are certainly butterfly magnets.

                The branches can spread out a lot and hide other plants in the bed. If it is set at the back of a bed then the branches that stick forward and hide other plants can be removed - it grows plenty of branches and they grow at a rapid rate.

                They can be trained/pruned to be standards by just removing the lower branches each time and letting the upper ones grow. Then you can grow other plants beneath them.

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                  Yes, I forgot about the lovely dwarf varieties. I may suggest them. Don't know if they intentionally plant it or not. Thanks so much. Really helpful.
                   
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                  Thank you @shiney! yes, they seem to get massive, from the ones I've seen.
                   
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                  Thank you for the confirmation.
                   
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                  I found the dwarf buddleia varieties increasingly disappointing. I grew 2 of the Buzz group......Ivory and Magenta. In pots they need better soil than their grown up cousins and I felt they lacked their charm. Better to grow the usual buddleias and to hard prune them every year I think. :)
                  Yes, I too have seen buddleias growing in the weirdest of places including from the wall of an old cottage and out of a chimney of a terrace house :sad:
                   
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                    When the "Buzz" dwarf Buddleja came on the marketing some years ago I wasn't too keen on them I must admit, Verdun. When I voiced my doubts at that time, I had to get my tin helmet out......
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                    as some members who'd bought them and were growing them in pots on their patio made sure they thought differently!!:heehee::hate-shocked: A friend of mine who bought one took my advice not to plant it in a pot of pure compost but in a mixture of compost, grit and sand and is still "happy" with it. She does feed it from Spring onwards with, initially, Miracle Gro and then with ordinary Tomato Feed and it does seem to do well. I believe the dwarf "Chip" varieties of are much better than the original "Buzz" varieties but that, as always, is down to the personal likes and tastes of the gardener. Like you, I prefer the Species Buddleja varieties but then both of us have the space in which to grow them, while some gardeners don't have that space or, again, find the Dwarf varieties attractive and an excellent choice for them...........but that's what gardening is all about!!
                     
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