But that's just ...... stupid!

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    OK, so this isn't the first time that BT have proved themselves to be beyond all logical comprehension, but please, can someone explain this - their latest 'wheeze' - to a poor simple soul like me?

    Because Mr. F'smum is away so often and because the account is in his name, it means that I (even as his wife) can't make any changes to our account and all attempts to do so result in ..

    Sorry, you can't do that, we have to speak to the account holder
    But we're husband and wife
    Maybe, but we need to speak to the person who pays the bill
    But I pay the bill, it comes out of my personal bank account by direct debit and has done for 10 years.
    Yes, but you're not the account holder. You'll have to get him to ring us and (wait for this ... ) give us his permission to talk to you.

    ... type conversations. Anyway, with him at home for a few days, we thought it a good opportunity for him to ring BT and give them his 'permission' to talk to the little woman!

    Get this ... the conversation between Mr. F'smum and BT (ignoring all the, press 1 for this, 2 for that, 398 for self-destruct and a waiting time of 10 minutes to speak to an 'advisor')

    Good morning. My account No. is xxxxxx and I'd like to change the name on it from Mr. A. Fidgetsmum to Mrs. R. Fidgetsmum, so that my wife can make changes to the contract when I'm away.
    Certainly we can do that, that'll cost £93.16
    How much?
    £93.16
    Yes, that's what I thought you said. Why?
    Ah well, that's the cancellation fee
    But I don't want to 'cancel' anything, I just want to change the name of the account holder.
    But in order to do that, you have to cancel your contract which costs .....
    ... £93.16, yes I got that bit. Well, you can forget that. Any other suggestions?
    Well, what we can do, is to put the account in joint names
    And that'll cost ....?
    Oh nothing, that's free of charge
    OK, so can we do that then?
    Certainly, please wait a moment - short pause - That's all done.
    So, by putting the account in joint names, my wife will now be able to make any changes?
    Oh no, it just means the account will be in two names, any request for changes will still have to come from you as the main holder.
    But if it's a "joint" account, there isn't a "main" holder is there?
    Well, yes - you. If you want your wife to be able to make changes, then her name will have to appear as the main holder and that means a cancellation charge.
    At this point Mr. F'smum hangs up muttering 'Oh, ffs'

    So - my question is .... if someone at BT can access their database and type "Mrs. R. Fidgetsum" alongside Mr. A. Fidgetsmum for nothing, why does it cost £93.16 for that same person to access the same database and add an "s" to the "Mr" then delete an "R" and substitute an "A"?

    It is just ....... stupid Isn't it?
     
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    • Phil A

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      I told BT where to get off years ago. Been with Virgin ever since, no problems.
       
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      • Freddy

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        It's the way of things these days. It's all about making money at every turn. 'They' are all at it:mad:
         
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          It's not explainable. These businesses think they're being clever and protecting account holders but in reality they p off more customers than they protect. It's utterly dumb.

          That'll be £55 please.
           
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          :dancy: Oh I know the answer to this one!!!!! :dancy:

          Took a few years of frustration to finally get it though ....

          They phoned us: ....

          BT: Hello, can I speak to Mr Mum, please.
          Me: Sorry, he's not in; may I help?
          BT: No, we need to speak to the account holder. When will he be in?
          Me: I have no intention of telling *you* that; you could be anyone!
          BT: We need to speak to the account holder.
          Me: May I ask what it is with reference to?
          BT: The account.
          Me: I pay the accounts, so you can discuss it with me :)
          BT: No, we can't; it has to be the account holder.
          Me: Ok, bye!

          Phoned Mr Mum at work (totally steaming!).
          Me: I've a good mind to put on my Neadethal Brother impersonation next time! :mad:
          Mr Mum: No need: next time they call and ask for me, just say, "speaking".
          Me: :huh:
          Mr Mum: They can't prove your not over the phone ;)

          One hour later ....

          BT (different operative): Hello; can I speak to Mr Mum please
          Me: (In my sweetest voice) Speaking! :)
          BT: Erm, ... is that *Mr* Mum?
          Me: Yes, speaking, how may I help you?
          (short silence)
          Me: Hello? How may I help you?
          BT: Oh, erm, we'd like to offer you free weekend and evening calls within the UK ... spiel ...
          Me: Oooh, lovely! Can you send the bumph in the post?
          BT: Certainly
          Me: Anything else?
          BT: No, thank you for your time, Mr Mum
          Me: You're welcome :)
          !CLICK!

          Ahh, the benefits of living in a broad minded, gender reassignment, world ;)

          It has worked for us for a number of years now :thumbsup:
           
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            Oh and a previous argument I had with them (before I 'won' as an effeminate Mr Mum) was to point out that I held the power of life and death over Mr Mum, if he were ever on life support, because I am his legal wife; so surely I could change the "friends and family" numbers?

            Nope :nonofinger:
             
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              I'm with Zigs on this one - vote with your feet and give your business to a company that won't treat you with disdain. We have been with Virgin for years, and although they don't always get it right, they will always sort out their mistakes and bend over backwards to do so (and to retain your custom).

              I told BT where to shove it a long time ago when we moved into the flat - I rang up to have the phone in the flat re-connected (there was a line and sockets already in place) and was told that it would be £197 connection fee. Like a mug, I paid it and then waited for an install - nothing. I got back in touch with them a week or so later, to be told that their engineer had done a 'survey' and noticed that I had the old style wire coming into the building and that would need to be renewed.

              "Fine, when will that be then?" says I

              "There is an additional fee of £324 to cover the repairs to the line, once payment has cleared they will be out inside 14 days"

              Needless to say, they were told where they could shove their twisted pair as there was no way I was paying to renew cable between a rented flat and the pole in the street, and we went to Virgin who installed everything (including new cabling half way down the street) for £49 all in. Done within a week too.
               
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                I have similar situations when handling Mrs Shiney's accounts - not just with BT - as she doesn't have the patience to deal with beaurocracy. I never have a problem. I just say "hold on and I'll get her". Then, after a few seconds, I speak in a slightly higher pitched voice and deal with it. It has never failed :blue thumb: (fortunately they can't hear her gigling in the background :heehee:)

                There´s no point in getting annoyed, as so many organisations have similar rules - and it's spreading to the ones that don't do it at the moment.

                There are many examples of stupid rules and unimaginitive people. Some time back I went to a cafe for a quick lunch. All I wanted was two eggs, chips and beans. The menu (chalked on the board behind the counter) showed the price as £3.25 but amongst their special offers of the day was two eggs, 2 rashers, chips and beans for £3.

                So, naturally, I ordered the special but asked them to leave off the rashers - and asked her what the price was. She said "£3.25" and I pointed out that the special was £3. She said "But what you've ordered isn't the special". To which I replied that I had ordered the special. "If you order the special you have to have the rashers".

                So, I said "OK, bring me the special". I had two very nice eggs, some well cooked chips and some soggy beans - and left the rashers :blue thumb:. Not the best economics from the cafe!
                 
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                  I changed from BT and went with Sky for the landline, TV and Broadband. In a very rare event my landline failed and in a forgetful moment I phoned BT to ask them to come and fix it. They very politely reminded me that I was no longer a customer of theirs and there was nothing they could do.
                  So feeling rather foolish I rang Sky, who realising I was using a mobile phone said they would ring me back to save money and my battery, which they did. I explained that my landline wasn't working and they were very helpful and said they would send someone to me that same day, which they did................a man in a BT van who repaired my phone:dunno: I nearly turned him away as I thought they had come by mistake after my first phone call to BT, but he just grinned and said business arrangements were getting silly and confused with BT being hired to do the servicing for their competitors!!
                   
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                  The thing is - our broadband is cr*p and yes, many's the time I've thought of changing supplier but ..... first of all you still need a BT line no matter who your ISP, so friends and neighbours in this village who are with PlusNet, Virgin, TalkTalk, etc., still have exactly the same problems we experience, as it's all down to BT's inability to do whatever it is they have to do.

                  Then of course, I'd have to get Mr. F'smum to talk to them since, being a mere woman, of course I'm not 'allowed' or can't be trusted to make decisions on his/our behalf!

                  And when I once tried a different tack with BT and asked what would happen if Mr. F'smum had walked out and left me, I didn't know where he was and was going to divorce him on the grounds of desertion they said .... "You'd have to get him to write to us and confirm that" :thud:

                  Of course, that would have incurred a cancellation and a re-connection charge, so then, like a complete numpty I said, 'OK, so what if he'd died, he wouldn't be able to write to you then would he?' And their reply? ....... "It would be better if he did die then we could change the account details for nothing" Bumping him off just to change to an itemised 'phone bill seems a bit extreme but ...... :ideaIPB:
                   
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                    Figetsmum, please re-read my post ;)
                     
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                      I agree with Mum and Shiney about assuming your OH's identity. I do the same for my In-Laws, when they need to deal with the bank or Virgin, etc, I ring and talk as though I was them. F-in-Law is still very with-it at 92 but he can't understand those call centre stafff that speak too fast or have strong accents.
                       
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                        True, FM, but BT actually charge more on the landline rental for being with them on the phone, broadband etc than, say, Sky..........where the business logic is in that I don't know??. So you can actually find the landline rental to be cheaper with an independent provider who is renting the landline from BT
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                        I, quite often, find that call centre staff talk too fast so I ask them to slow down. If they continue talking too fast I tell them that I am going to hang up as I can't understand them. Most of them slow down but if they don't I say goodbye.
                         
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