Can I too ask an internet question please?

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  1. Fidgetsmum

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    Despite living only approx 200m - 'as the crow flies' - from the exchange, our broadband drops in and out all the time and the router flashes more frequently than a belisha beacon. I'm with BT, but have spoken to neighbours who have different ISPs and they experience the same problem, it therefore follows that, since you need a BT line of some sort, (no matter who your ISP is), the problem must be with the BT exchange.

    After innumerable calls to India, BT sent me a new router about 3 months ago, saying that was the cause of the trouble, but of course it's made no difference.

    That's the background - now the question.

    On Friday I received a call from BT offering me fibre optic broadband. Apparently with this all singing, all dancing technology, my download speed will increase to warp-factor something or other (although as my 'downloading' consists of a very occasional squint at iPlayer, speed isn't something I give any thought to). Furthermore, if I agree, a 'man' will come and plug in whatever needs to be plugged in and it won't cost me anything (apart from an extra £7.84 a month).

    Now, the question is, there's no mention in all of this sales pitch of replacing my existing copper cable with a fibre optic one so ... have I missed something? Surely if they're going to provide fibre optic broadband, shouldn't they come and dig up the street at some point and run a fibre optic cable up my garden and into the house?? I just don't see they can provide fibre optics through the existing copper cable.
     
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    I'm not massively up on the BT network, as I use cable, but it could be a similar idea to the cable system.

    As I understand it, it sort of works as follows:

    FTTC - Fibre To The Cabinet
    FTTP - Fibre To The Property

    The first system runs fibre optics as far as the cabinet in the street, and then more conventional copper cored cables from there on to your property (cable systems use this method, utilising a copper coax cable between the cabinet and the property).

    The latter system means that the fibre cable runs pretty much right into your home (could be terminated in a small box mounted on the outside wall or something), before finally converting into more conventional cabling that your modem/router can connect to.

    A quick mooch around the net reveals that BT Infinity employs the former of the two systems for the most part, which means that they wouldn't disturb the wiring in your home - they would merely make some changes at the cabinet end. In the future, this system will allow further upgrade to a fibre to the home system, improving performance further.

    In short, if you can afford it, I would say that its worthwhile going for - not least because it should lessen your drop out issues; many things now rely on broadband to work fully (SMART TV's and BluRay players being only a couple), and with a reasonably stable broadband connection they allow you access to a number of online services (YouTube, Lovefilm, Netflix etc) which may suit your entertainment needs?
     
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    We have the same problem out here FM we are only a short distance from our exchange we have fibre optic to the exchange but not around our village & have been told that until they up-date the system in the village & give us super fast broadband it will continue to be a problem.. We have the BT vision as well but it doesn't seem to affect that, but the dropping in & out of the broadband connection is really anoying at times I totally agree.... :dunno:
     
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    Marley Farley the upgrades are being rolled out all the time, and in fact there is even a government fund to make it all happen - at the moment, its only been BT that have made use of the funding and started rolling out the technology, but hopefully that will change. Once you have FTTC (little green cabinets dotted around your village) things will be better.

    One of the main barriers that BT are hitting is local councils would you believe - planning officials are not allowing them to upgrade networks as they aren't willing to allow the installation of a few roadside cabinets in case they are construed as an eyesore!

    EDIT - this tagging thing looks like a good idea :)
     
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    My thanks for explaining it all so clearly.

    By chance, a BT 'man' was digging outside my house this morning so I went out and had a word. It appears he was there sorting out a problem with a neighbour's 'phone, but when I put to him, the same question as I put above, his reply was exactly the same as fat controller's, that our village has the FTTC. Apparently, the fibre optic goes to the cabinet and then kinda loops round the village using the copper cable.

    When I mentioned the constant 'dropping out' his reply was "You're close to the exchange you shouldn't have any connection trouble." Well, maybe we 'shouldn't', but it doesn't alter the fact that we do (so much so that the computer shop in the village was getting up a 'petition' to send to BT complaining about their putrid service).

    Anyway, rather like a car that can do 100 mph down the motorway but still has to slow down when it comes off that motorway into side streets, it means that here at least, unless or until they put 'proper' fibre optic cables to each house, we're still reliant on the copper ones for the most part.

    Since download speeds and internet TV et.al are completely irrelevant to me, when the BT lady rings back I've decided shall decline her 'offer' of giving her organisation an extra £94.08 p.a. - I shall however, continue to keep a list of those dates and times when the signal drops out and at the end of each quarter will continue to send it to BT with the request that they reduce my bill by an amount appropriate to when their service is not available.
     
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      You might find that although your village is FTTC with the remainder in copper, that you are not on the FTTC system - as you are getting drop outs, I reckon that you are on ADSL which is not connected to the fibre cabinets at all, but rather to the telephone exchange - basically, copper all the way back to the exchange.

      Whilst I can understand your reluctance to pay the additional amount each month, I do think that it would be much more reliable for you, and there may be a way you can get it without paying much (if any) more - simply call them up and tell them you are leaving because you are unhappy with the service because of the drop-outs, and are going off to A N Other provider (its worth looking at some deals that are available before making the call so you can say that 'X' is going to give me the same speed without the dropouts for the same or less than I am paying now etc etc); chances are, you will get put through to retentions who will be willing to barter a deal with you to get you on the newer system.
       
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      I had a similar problem to Fidgets Mum. My connection speed became abysmal and we are only two or three hundred metres from the exchange. After three or four calls to BT (India!!) a chap came out and replaced our router. Only to discover that the replacement didn't resolve the problem and that the problem was due line faults that had resulted in BT dropping our connection speed. He phoned BT and got our speed reset and presto it worked fine.
      The new router failed after a few days so I replaced with an old one which worked fine but phoned BT to ask for and got a replacement that has worked fine since then.
      We are currently running at a bit above 7Mbs which is just about right for all our requirements as we neither want or need streaming video.

      I'd suggest that you insist on BT sending an engineer to do a comprehensive test on your system as it sounds like either you've a duff line or that intermittent line faults have resulted in BT lowering your connection speed.
      Unless you really need blazing fast download speeds the extra cost of fibre optic probably isn't worth it.

      You can test your connection speed using this site - free and quite non-tech!
      http://www.speedtest.net/

      If you are not getting anything like the speed BT advertises or promises for your location the results from the above test can strengthen your case.
      I use the above site every month or so and save the results so can I see and record any significant changes in our connection speed.
       
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      I think BT call their fibre optic system 'Infinity'. You can check your speed with BT as well and it will tell you if you can get Infinity.

      http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/products/broadband/internet-speed-test

      I'm with BT and, fortunately, don't get any drop out and I'm at the end of their line. so I'm as far as can be from the exchange.

      I've just checked my speed on four different checkers and they all give me a download speed of approx 2.8 and an upload speed of .33

      That's a 20% increase on last year.
       
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