Disappearing Runner Beans

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  1. Victoria

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    This is my first time growing runner beans so I don't know what's supposed to be going on with them. They are just starting to fruit ... is that the term? ... develop? ... and on some there are darling little beans at the base, then a bunch of stalks, then the flowers at the top. Is something eating them before I have a chance to? :confused:
     
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    Sounds like normal RBs.
    The little beans at the base will grow into big beans and the flowers on the stalks will turn into little beans and then big beans and the stalks will continue to grow and put out more flowers. The flowers will produce more beans and the stalks will grow etc etc.
    Given your location, if you mist spray the flowers with water every evening and early morning, you'll improve fertilisation of the flowers and get more beans.
    The roots need to be kept well watered.

    Beans in the middle of an orange grove - I should be so lucky :rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks, Dave

    Over the last couple of days more beans seem to be appearing ... the first ones are about an inch long now as the plants are about 6-8 feet tall! They are on a drip irrigation system on a trellis behind my roses and I also give a little extra because of the heat here. The roots are in the shade in a pergola.

    I do inspect daily for bugs etc and can find nothing but still spray with washing up liquid with a wee bit of bicarb in it.

    Thanks for the advice and I'll keep you posted.

    VickyB

    The oranges are in bloom and fruit all year long in this location ... fantastic ... permanent air freshener!

    Tchau!
     
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    I was told by an old gardener that you must spray the plants with water, preferably from a hosepipe, in order to 'set' flowers and infant beans and make sure they don't fall off. Must say it did seem to make a difference with mine.
     
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    Thanks, michaelmasdaisy. I'll take the hose to them this evening when the sun has gone down.

    Mmmm, I can almost taste the beans already!
     
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    After years of mist spraying to aid pollination I've just read this in "The Vegetable and Herb Expert" by Dr. D.G. Hessayon. Pub - Expert Books 2003.

    "Don't bother misting to aid pollination - it's an old wives' tale".

    I've got three plants growing this year so I think I'll try spraying just one and see how pollination compares .
     
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    I've never sprayed and have always had plenty of beans. Would be interesting to do a trial like Dave suggests [​IMG]
     
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    I have just come in my examining my veggies and was shocked to find a six inch bean! It was only barely an inch long six days ago as the others still are. On virtually all of the stalks there is A bean, lots of "empty" stalks (no beans, no flowers) and then the flowers at the end. Either the birds are getting at them or I didn't get the flowers set in time.

    I also found the culprit each my Brussels leaves .. a furry bright green catapillar only about a half an inch long!
     
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    I have never heard of spraying beans. I have had many crops of beans without spraying, and my Mum never sprayed when I was a child.. (only a coulpe of years ago!! ;) )
     
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    got a few dwarf runner bean plants they say they are dwarf on the packet and mine are massive they have flowered and some have dropped off, we have had a lot of wind here does anyone think this could be a factor
     
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    Hi LOL

    Runner beans are my fave veg. I've been growing them for donkeys years and tried all different ways and varieties. In very hot and dry weather - sounds like Portugal - spraying seems to help the flowers set. You're right, the flowers didn't set in time. Set the hose on a fine spray and spray them from a distance - you don't want to knock the flowers off.

    Although you are trickle watering the beans prefer a very heavy soaking once a week as well - in your climate a gallon per plant would be good (half a gallon is also OK). Do this with the hose at the base of the plant. It helps the roots go deeper into the soil and the plants will be happier. Trickle watering tends to keep the roots near the surface and and in very hot weather the plants don't do so well.

    For the last 15 years I've been growing my plants slightly differently from the norm. I grow them in long rows as normal but instead of having the canes crossing at the top of the cane I have them crossing at a height of 3 feet - you then place a cane horizontally alog the crossover points and tie the uprights in. You need to make the rows (if you have more than one row) slightly further apart because the tops of the caneshang outwards. There are many reasons for doing it this way - apart from me just being bl**dy awkward.
    1. you can run clear plastic down the length of the row, up to the height of 3 feet, and form a cloche to warm the ground up for earlier planting (you wouldn't need that where you are).
    2. You don't have to stretch up to tie the canes at the top.
    3. from the 3 foot height the beans then hang outside the canes and are easier to find - and tend to grow straighter because they are not restricted inside the canes. It saves you rumaging through all the leaves trying to find the beans.
    4 If you are in a windy area the canes move independently in the wind instead of catching it like a solid wall.
    5. The plants get more air through them which makes it easier for insects to fly through and pollinate and also helps to keep fungus off them - most varieties nowadays are fungal resistant anyway.
    6. Our bluetits seem to prefer it because they can mor easily get to the plants that sometimes have blackfly (we don't use any chemicals).

    What variety are you growing?
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    Morning, Shiney, and whew! that's a lot of advice for first thing in the morning! Well, I don't get up till 9-ish and have to have my tea! [​IMG]

    I am growing the beans up a cane trellis, really just for fun as I like the flowers. The seedback is French, Vita, and they are called Haricot d'Espangne (Judias de Espana in Spanish, Feijao de espananhol in Portuguese, fagliolino di Spagna in Italian and Spanish Beans in English!) I looked these up on the net and came up with the common runner bean, ta, da :D

    I did spray as someone else had suggested, but only a couple of times. Is this to be done frequently? Other advice given was that birds tend to like the red flowered variety of bean.

    In the meantime, I have more beans than I can eat because the plants went beserk and are not only on the trellis but now up and over a pergola! :eek: So, I'm okay for now.

    Again, thanks for your advice .... watch this space next year! :D :D
     
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    Hi LOL

    You usually only need to spray for a short while - until they are producing beans regularly.

    If you are growing them also for the flowers you can grow a variety called Painted Lady. This has white and red flowers and still produces a reasonable crop of beans.

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    Actually, Shiney, my pack shows red and white flowers but I've only had red ones. Is is alright just to dry out some of the beans for next year's sowing or do I have to do something specific with them?
     
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    Shouldn't be a problem just drying them out. If they are F1 hybrids (most aren't) they just may not grow true to the claims by the producers - like having more than one colour! Usually with the bicoloured plants the two colours appear on the same flower.
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