Gaz and Leccy - Important info!

Well some one has to pay for all the charging points for the elecy cars/bikes etc

 

I heard about the price hike last night.
Just wondering if the fixed deal I was offered is still available, probably not as the hike is high than predicted a couple of months ago.

Where does all that cheap wind generated electricity go.

 

It would be better if they used the millions they're wasting on the Ukrain/Russia war (which is going to go on for years and which Russia will win in the end) ... on helping the British people.
With all due respect to the Ukrainians, but charity begins at home.

 

We just lurch from one crisis to another these days.
Politically and otherwise, once we all get used to paying these prices I doubt they will come down much if any in the future.
Then some other crisis will come along and this lot will be history.
I can't see any end to it all but a few stable years would be good.

 

Small investment now compared to the economic costs of not helping. The alternative. Russia quickly defeats Ukraine. The Ukrainians, feeling completely let down by the west, capitulate to Russia. Putin is encouraged by his success, and Russia along with Belarus feel much more confident about trying to seize other former Soviet states. Meanwhile in China, the observation is that nobody comes to help, Taiwan is invaded and quickly captured.

Most of the stuff we buy either comes direct from the east, or uses components or raw materials from there.

Us ordinary Brits would certainly not find ourselves better off in the mid to long term if we left them to it.

 

Going off track slightly, but seeing as Ukraine has been mentioned.
Putin may have an argument bearing in mind the lengths NATO are going to help a non NATO country and one that was once considered part of the USSR.
He sees Ukraine as very closely associated to Russia historically and the west as trying to take over the place.
Russians get a very skewed view as to what is going on, but I do wonder how even handed our news is.
We hear very little of the Russian speaking people and their views on the subject.
Sure Putin is using a sledgehammer approach but some one is going to have to sit down and talk about this at some stage.
I can't see Russia giving in and moving back now, so let's talk before he flattens the whole country.

 

Sorry. but I dont agree FC, We are paying world prices for energy and will continue to do regardless of what we do internally.
The cheap energy that is promised from home generation is just that, a promise, it wont happen and never will, if we are being led up the garden path that is it.
Green deals are something else but our 0.9% of the worlds CO2 appears to be critical.

Simply remove Putin rapidly?
How many people are you prepared to kill in order to do that?

 

Missing my point FC, we pay world prices whether we produce it ourselves or buy it in from abroad, storage possibly would help short term but the companies storing it would be the ones making the profit, they wouldn't let it go below market price.

Nuclear power, I would agree would make us more likely to be self sufficient, but I understand the market price of electricity is liked to the price of gas on the world market.

The days of isolation are over, we are never going to get away from world prices on this kind of thing. the companies involves are multinational and sell at the going rate, if not, they will sell elsewhere.

 

I agree but that is how it appears to work.

Well nothing new there, I've heard that happens often.

 

We have to pay such high prices simply because energy generation has been fully outsourced to prove, mostly international companies. If EDF generate cheap electricity in the UK, that's great for them. Their contracts are based on the going rates globally.

I'm going to say something next that many will disagree with. As individuals we can all influence energy prices, but only if enough of us do it. Too many people want to keep consuming as they've always done. When I was a kid, if it was cold, we put on a jumper. If it was really cold, we might heat the room we spend most time in. Nowadays and for a long time, folks want to heat their entire house. If there was a draught, you fix the draught. Now people turn the heating up. Not many people look at how much energy they use when cooking, and if there are ways to cook more efficiently. People want to drive everywhere. There's some statistic kicking about that the majority of car journeys are less than 5 miles.

There's lots of things people can do to drive down their energy consumption, and if the majority did it, then demand overall would fall sharply enough to drive prices down, but it takes a concerted effort from the majority, and I don't think there's much chance of that happening.