Grow Heathrow - Welcome Squatters?

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    I've just watched an interesting program on telly about squatters. Some of it was a bit annoying, some was insightful such as the amount of good stuff of all kinds that just gets chucked out that squatters live off etc.

    But one part of it really got my attention. Apparently the proposed site of Heathrow's 3rd runway is a piece of waste land that some squatters have occupied. Except they've turned it from a wreck full of rubbish into an eco/art project that is now so much part of the local community that schools and the likes take groups there to take part in art and horticultural projects.

    The squatters are trespassing, yet they've opened the site to the public and run it as an educational facility. Its a strange situation to be in I think.

    It seems they have a website, here it is.

    http://www.transitionheathrow.com/grow-heathrow/

    Interesting stuff.
     
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    Cool.

    Much rather have a market garden than another runway.

    My Dad landed at a grass runway in London when he was demobed, he said it had a small shed as a control tower & he had to ask the lads where he was, they said it was a common called heathrow.
     
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      Living fairly close to Heathrow, I'd far rather see this than a third runway!
       
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        Got to say living in Kent I'd rather see a third runway.;)

        Squatters are illegal, occupiers of buildings/land which are owned by other people.
        What would you say if somebody just took your car, saying, you were not using it at the time?
        Would that make it OK?

        A third runway has got to be more sensible than that twit Boris, with his fantasy island.

        Although I think Manston should be in there with a chance.
         
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        To be honest pete, I have seen goldfish that are more sensible than Boris! However, I can assure you that a third runway would guarantee misery for a hell of a lot of people around here - they get very little respite as it is now, without adding a third runway.
         
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        I think the subject of airports will always be a difficult one.
        On the one hand, nobody wants more noise, but on the other they generate work.

        If Boris got his island, Heathrow would probably shut down, and the area would become some kind of ghost town.
        OK if you dont actually work there.

        So unless you moved in around that area before the airport was there you cant really complain.
        Can you ??:scratch:
         
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        I'm not complaining about the current amount of air traffic, as I knew about that when I moved into the area (as did others); indeed, my mother in law has it worse than us as she is under one of the main flight paths, but at least she gets a few hours respite once in a while. An increase in traffic queuing for a third runway would lessen the respite for those people even further, and that is the problem as far as I am concerned.

        Just because you move in near to a dump, it wouldn't make it acceptable if they decided ten years later to start piling rubbish up against you back fence.

        I agree with you that Boris' Island is a bonkers idea, and would harm Heathrow and ultimately the area around it, as well as harming the Kent area also - however, there is a shed load of empty green space not that far from Heathrow, and similarly around Gatwick - - why not build smaller 'feeder' airports connected to Heathrow or Gatwick by dedicated road and rail links (and I mean dedicated, non-stop links) - as well as good external road and rail links directly out onto the M3/M25 etc etc.

        If done correctly, both cargo and passengers could then either access the feeder airport directly if they are on a direct flight in or out, or they could come into Heathrow Main and then use the transfer services to get to Heathrow Mini (or vice versa) if they are in need of connections.

        The key would be making sure that the infrastructure around all hubs was built or upgraded to cope properly - - and sadly, that is something that we rarely do in this country.
         
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          I see your thinking FC, but are we talking high speed rail?
          Between the airports.

          If we are you only have to look at HS2 in order to work out that would also not be accepted.

          There is far too much happening in the South East of the country, I'm sure much of it should move further North, taking the expanding population with it.
          It makes no sense, in such a tiny country as this, to base all this in just one corner.
          A high speed rail link from the south to the north is what is needed.
           
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            People of London are terrified of the idea of living in the frozen wastelands of the north, and even more terrified of us barbarians that live up here. That's why we've always had the north/south divide.
             
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              The north/ south divide only occurs because of small thinking, we are hardly bigger than most of the states in the US, but we still get this small thinking.
              We need to become one place, surely United Kingdom should actually mean that.
               
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                It would have to be relatively high speed for it to be a viable option; but as I stated, it would have to be designed and built properly (and that includes proper assessment on how it would impact local communities); I think that the main reason we see so many things like HS2 objected to in this country, is the sheer number of cock-ups that we have had over the years (remember the compulsory purchase grief of the 80's & 90's for various things such as the A40?), coupled with the fact that the end result is never anything like the idea as it was promised, suggested or required.

                I do agree though - far too much is stacked in the bottom corner of this country, and it needs to be spread more (its part of the reason that we are struggling for water and drainage down here, simply due to the density of population and businesses). Again, that will only be resolved if considerable, meaningful effort is put into building infrastructure such as high quality, multi-lane motorways and new railways (both high and standard speed)
                 
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                  I remember the years of blight that people in Kent endured during the channel tunnel and the so called HS1 project.
                  Yes they could not decide on a route for years and people lost their homes over it all.
                   
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                    That's the trouble pete - if this country set out a decent plan, properly reimbursed people under compulsory purchase schemes etc, and then delivered a world class product at the end then far fewer people would object.

                    The reality is that we seem incapable of designing or delivering something that is truly up to standard, and instead settle for the next most affordable bodge.
                     
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                      I'd object. Compulsory Purchase orders should be reserved matters of absolute national necessity. For example, if we were at war and we needed to knock down a street because it was the only practical place to build something essential for the war effort. Compulsory purchase has no place in civilian projects or for any project that is a 'nice to have'. That's effectively the same as other people ganging up to forcibly change your life against your will.

                      Lets say that I received a compulsory purchase order on my house. Lets even say that they offered me double the market value (would never happen that way but lets say hypothetically they did). Great, I could buy a different set of bricks and mortar in a different part of town and still have a few quid left over. Fabulous. Until you consider all the effort I've put into turning this set of bricks and mortar into a family home for me, my wife and son. And how we've made friends here, and my son has settled into the local school and knows literally everyone.

                      Compulsory purchase orders spoil lives. It happened to a few streets near where I grew up, so that the town centre shopping area could be pointlessly extended (so there's plenty of room for more empty shops as people go to nearby Middlesbrough for their main shopping trips). I knew loads of people who were forced to move. After they were all forced to move, that community of people ceased to exist. Sure we still see some of them about from time to time, but rarely. All those close knit neighbours got forced to disperse and long lasting friendships just fizzled away.
                       
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                      I see your point clueless, but where would that leave us with regard to the building of infrastructure such as railway lines and roads? Of course, every effort NOT to disturb someone from their home and their life, but it is inevitable that there will always be a few that will need to be displaced for a large civil project to be able to proceed.
                       
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