Handrail for steps to front door - ideas please

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    I've been building a new garage in my front garden and need to fit handrails. It's a sloping site and to get to the front door from the pavement there are 17 new steps with a couple of landings.

    View through front gate:
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    I want the rails mounted on the side wall like this, no gaps between the steps and landings:
    Side steps.JPG


    At the top of the first 2 flights, we turn 90 degrees for the final flight. There is also a new ramp going down the right hand side with one long rail (ignore the building rubbish!):
    Rear.JPG

    It's approx 12 m of hand rail with various bends to follow the step's pitch.

    Obviously they need to be sturdy, safe and neat. I don't want that cheap galvanised pipe that looks like scaffold tubing, instead I planned to use a Stainless Steel kit and fit myself, the tubes and components would be around £500. I have second thoughts, it may look too amateurish with adjustable bends rather than properly formed.


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    I contacted a recommended local blacksmith, they did these rails for a house down our road:
    Veras handrail.JPG

    Unfortunately the quote is nearly 5 times my budget, but it would look better and it would save me time as they install.

    I may have an unrealistic budget.

    Any ideas folks?
     
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      Marine supplier. Get thee to one! Great fittings. Invest in a good pipe cutter. This one is 20 years old. Still sturdy and zero rust on this nice chrome stanchion. :) 20210806_192219.jpg
       
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        I'm not sure the adjustable bends are going to look that great. If stainless is the material of choice then probably something like 40 or 50mm brushed 304 grade thin wall tube would be best with butt welded matching fittings. The fittings would be best TIG welded to the pipe and dressed to match the finish on the tubes. Some of the fittings may have to be cut to suit the angles. Quite tricky to fabricate as you need to allow for the stand off for the brackets etc as well.
         
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          No idea what it would cost but how about rounded teak or cedar fixed with brackets? The angled joints should be achievable and corners shaped to a pleasing curve
           
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              Good ideas thanks @CanadianLori, I certainly need marine grade material. The stainless steel would need to be 316 grade, might not mean anything but apparently that's the stuff that will survive outdoors forever. I think I will get a decent pipe cutter if I DIY , I know from past experience I can't cut pipe at 90 degrees with a hacksaw.

              Thank you @JAS very useful, it reinforces what I thought about the adjustable bends. I only have an arc welder and my skills are very agricultural so I know I couldn't achieve a nice finish even if I invested in a better welding machine. I could get a contractor to come in and do it, also I found a company that supplies a bespoke stainless steel rail, I would have to measure exactly if I went down that route. Actually you got me thinking and I will knock up a temple out of roof battens so I get the angles exactly right.
               
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              Timber handrails should last longer than most other timber used outdoors because they are raised off the ground and get plenty of air circulation so should dry out quickly after rain. I used pressure treated decking handrails on a job and I wouldn't mind betting they'd be good for 30 years or more 20200217_094116.jpg .
               
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                Those teak handrail wreaths are pretty fancy stuff, I used to make them years ago, to be done properly the geometry involved was always a bit above me. But carving them out is a laborious task.
                They can probably do them on a cnc machine somehow these days.

                I think you would always get some kind of movement in the timber even with teak if you put them outside.
                 
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                  I would have thought 304 or 304L would be fine unless you are really close to the sea.

                  Timber would be fine but if you want to have the handrail flowing as one section you need to think about forming the bends. This can be quite tricky to make a decent job of, most of yours would be ok. One of the other Forums I'm on is "thewoodhaven2" have a look at RogerS post "staircase upgrade" for interest.

                  You could use a pressure treated handrail as above or use lengths of what they call mophandle. Its used for handrails amongst other things and has a flat section on lower side and is available in different timbers.

                  I've recently used pine mophandle for forming a new lead ridge roll flashing for a new slate roof on the house here but fairly sure you will be able to get it in oak or sapele etc.
                   
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                    Teak would be ideal but difficult to get hold of. It would probably need to be reclaimed as I'm fairly certain its on the CITES list.
                     
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                      The price of timber has rocketed recently, any fancy hardwoods are going to cost a fortune.
                       
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                        @JWK marine stanchion has fittings for all angles, has brackets for attaching to surfaces, etc. You'd only need a straight cut. It is meant to withstand outdoors pretty much forever. Mine is now behind some greenhouses but it was originally railing to keep people falling off the side deck and met legal bylaw regulations as safe. It does not rust. It has a thick wall. And very DIY friendly.
                         
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                          Prices have fallen again although not quite normalised but this doesn't have to be teak, it was just a suggestion. Oak would also be fine.
                          I was thinking bridle joints and shaping afterwards to finish.
                           
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                            If I was doing this, I would go down the route of stainless tube, either 304 or 316 grade pending cost. I would get a fabricator to bend the pipe to the contour of the steps, I would probably look at doing in one length, if not, then either 3x4m or 2x6m lengths with the joints being welded. I would be expecting to pay between £500 to £1000 fitted pending what grade stainless pipe was being used. Online, you can get 316 grade stainless tube 42.4mm dia x 6m long x 2mm wall for £120 ex delivery.

                            I would measure up either 900 or 1000mm from the steps and tap nails into the cement, so I could create a chalk line on the wall for dimensions. We have a local fabricator who specialises in bending pipes, so it would not be to much of an issue in doing it this way.
                             
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