HELP! Where do I even begin?!

Discussion in 'NEW Gardeners !' started by ET1911, Aug 28, 2018.

  1. ET1911

    ET1911 Apprentice Gardener

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2018
    Messages:
    6
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +3
    Hi all,

    :new:

    First time poster and ultra novice gardener so be nice!

    I've recently moved into a house I can finally call my own. When I moved in we were approaching the end of the very dry spell. The grass looked patchy, the few flowers there were could have used a water... Nothing too challenging I thought to myself.

    I then went away for a week just as it got all soggy again, on my return was a very very different beast. All hell has broken loose!

    The whole garden is completely awash with weeds! The grass is now more, what looks like Dandelion, than anything else. That is mixed with deep rooted stinging nettles and all sorts of other garbage. How do I even begin to clear this up?

    I thought about digging them out, but if I do that whatever is left of the grass below will be dug out too.

    Is this a case of digging the whole lot out and starting completely fresh? Can I just throw some weed killer on this and watch it do it's magic?

    I'm completely new to gardening having never had any green space of my own, so any answers please explain like I'm 5!

    Pictures of the monstrosity attached (I think I've done that right, we'll soon find out). Any help appreciated!
     

    Attached Files:

    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    • Verdun

      Verdun Passionate gardener

      Joined:
      Oct 16, 2012
      Messages:
      7,475
      Gender:
      Male
      Location:
      West Cornwall
      Ratings:
      +17,487
      First of all, welcome ET1911 :)

      You could apply a lawn weedkiller. It works quickly....a few days or so. Then mow whatever grass remains. Rake the grass area to cultivate a seed bed then sow grass seed. September is perfect time to sow grass seed.

      Or, if the ground is uneven and not level enough for a lawn you could dig over the whole plot. I would still apply a weedkiller first. Rake and level and sow seed.

      Get the lawn right and the rest of the garden is much more manageable:)
       
      • Like Like x 2
      • Loki

        Loki Total Gardener

        Joined:
        May 3, 2015
        Messages:
        1,664
        Gender:
        Female
        Location:
        Middlesbrough
        Ratings:
        +4,092
        :sign0016:
        I'm afraid you don't have much grass between those weeds :frown:
        As verdun says, September is a good time to sow seed or re turf.
        If you want it in simple terms what I would do ( don't tell the weedkiller haters :blue thumb:)
        Spray everything with round up ( glyphosate) follow the instructions and spray again if necessary
        When it's all dead you can then rake and level in preparation to sow seed or lay turf.
        I hate advising weedkiller but those dandelions are HUGE ! I would love to hear what others advise. You also said you have nettles in there. Without removing them first, they will grow throw.
        It will be gorgeous when you get it how you want it!
        What a lovely space:) good luck:dbgrtmb:
         
        • Agree Agree x 2
        • Like Like x 1
        • ET1911

          ET1911 Apprentice Gardener

          Joined:
          Aug 28, 2018
          Messages:
          6
          Gender:
          Male
          Ratings:
          +3
          Hi guys,

          Thanks so much for commenting.

          So the general consensus so far seems to be a spray with strong weedkiller for the Dandelion affected area. Once sprayed, obviously the weeds die. Do I need to do anything else, or do I just pull up all the dead stuff?

          On the nettles, I've actually had a go at removing them this evening. Their root systems are so expansive! It really took me by surprise! I think I've got the majority of them out, but it appears they might be originating under the fence from my neighbours garden. Could be an ongoing battle!

          Is there a particular grass seed which you would recommend? I've looked around and noted an all purpose mix. Once the seed is sown, would it be best to give it a kick start with a some feed as well?
           
        • Verdun

          Verdun Passionate gardener

          Joined:
          Oct 16, 2012
          Messages:
          7,475
          Gender:
          Male
          Location:
          West Cornwall
          Ratings:
          +17,487
          ET1911 :)
          Stinging nettles do indeed have strong expansive roots that tend to break up and root again when physically pulled, dug etc. You seem to have them under control though apart from the intrusion from neighbour's side.

          You could spray with glyphosate and dig a trench and line the neighbour's side with plastic or membrane. Maybe have a word with your neighbour about spraying on his side too.

          A dwarf fine rye mixture....the usual general purpose mixture generally available now.....is ideal. Hard wearing and good looking.

          A day or two, or even on the day of sowing, a granular feed could be applied.

          In the spring a general lawn feed will kickstart your grass for next season

          Keeping the mower on a higher setting will also help keep your grass looking good
           
          • Like Like x 3
          • ET1911

            ET1911 Apprentice Gardener

            Joined:
            Aug 28, 2018
            Messages:
            6
            Gender:
            Male
            Ratings:
            +3
            Perfect, thank you so much! This all seems a lot less daunting now :)

            The weather forecast looks good leading up to the weekend so I'll crack on then.

            If there's any interest, I'll be sure to keep you updated on my progress. I'm in no doubt I'll have plenty of questions along the way!
             
            • Like Like x 2
            • Loofah

              Loofah Admin Staff Member

              Joined:
              Feb 20, 2008
              Messages:
              13,899
              Gender:
              Male
              Location:
              Guildford
              Ratings:
              +24,310
              I'd use a selective weedkiller on the grass area rather than glyphosate but whatever you choose do it on a wind free day or the rest of your garden will get killed. With that quantity of weeds you'll have several years of finding them and digging out / killing off unfortunately simply because they've clearly been left for some time to set seed.
              Glyphosate is what they call a systemic weedkiller meaning it will kill all parts of the plant, it also decomposes on contact with the soil. I'd use this on the nettles if you want rid of them.

              Have you thought about moving the shed forward a bit and adding some trees or hedging to block the view of the house at the bottom of the garden?
               
              • Like Like x 1
              • ET1911

                ET1911 Apprentice Gardener

                Joined:
                Aug 28, 2018
                Messages:
                6
                Gender:
                Male
                Ratings:
                +3
                Hi @Loofah

                Thanks for your comment!

                Excuse my ignorance... Would a selective weedkiller have the same impact as the Glyphosate? You say Glyphosate kills all parts of the plant, does this then mean a selective killer would only get rid of the head? After a close inspection, the Dandelion growth is so thick that there really isn't much grass growth beneath at all.

                The shed actually used to sit on top of the small patio area to the left. For whatever reason, the previous owners decided to move it to the other corner (which is one of the sunniest bits of the garden!!). But I eventually plan to move it back to its original spot.

                You can't see it on any of the pictures, but there is actually a stump left from a tree which, frustratingly, was chopped down about 6 months before I purchased and would have given perfect privacy from the house behind! Hedging or another tree will certainly be planted back there in time though.

                I'm starting to realise that raising a garden is certainly not an overnight task and definitely nothing like watching Titchmarsh on Ground Force when I was younger!
                 
              • Verdun

                Verdun Passionate gardener

                Joined:
                Oct 16, 2012
                Messages:
                7,475
                Gender:
                Male
                Location:
                West Cornwall
                Ratings:
                +17,487
                Selective lawn weedkiller kills the weeds in the grass but not the grass ET1911.:)
                Glyphosate kills everything.
                Yep! Can be confusing. :sad:
                The plan is to kill the weeds and spread grass seed over the remaining grassy area. After raking of course to loosen soil there
                A lot of satisfaction though in doing things slightly more slowly but you will be surprised at how much you can achieve in a year:)
                 
                • Agree Agree x 2
                • andrews

                  andrews Super Gardener

                  Joined:
                  Aug 28, 2018
                  Messages:
                  900
                  Gender:
                  Male
                  Occupation:
                  Waste Management and Consultancy
                  Location:
                  South Yorkshire
                  Ratings:
                  +2,369
                  Looks like you have a great project on your hands there. The nettles will more than likely return and, having had this problem when we moved into our current house, glyphosate is the way to go.

                  You've already identified that the shed is in a sunny part of the garden. Decide where you want to sit out / how you want to use the garden and don't let the current layout define your garden design.

                  Then you can decide on the planting theme. Initially we filled our beds with free handouts from friends and, 17 years later are now replacing some with plants that we want in the bed (thread to hopefully start on here this weekend)

                  Good luck and enjoy the space
                   
                  • Like Like x 2
                  • clanless

                    clanless Total Gardener

                    Joined:
                    Jan 20, 2013
                    Messages:
                    3,201
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    Occupation:
                    Gentleman of leisure.
                    Location:
                    North Wales
                    Ratings:
                    +7,631
                    How about something other than a lawn?

                    I'd be tempted to weed kill the lot - install a simple gravel path - and have flower beds either side.

                    This way you can enjoy a more colourful/scented garden.

                    I have no lawn at all in my front garden - a winding gravel path and beds either side of the path ready for planting up :thumbsup:.
                     
                    • Creative Creative x 1
                    • Verdun

                      Verdun Passionate gardener

                      Joined:
                      Oct 16, 2012
                      Messages:
                      7,475
                      Gender:
                      Male
                      Location:
                      West Cornwall
                      Ratings:
                      +17,487
                      No lawn? No lawn??? :gaah:
                      A lawn makes a garden for me. Why?
                      The smell of newly mown grass is wonderful.
                      An area of green is so good for the soul.
                      What else can you sit on, play on and walk on that is as soft?
                      What else sets a garden off better than a lawn?
                      Plus I enjoy cutting the lawn...I have 2 here....and would never been without it:)
                       
                      • Agree Agree x 1
                      • Friendly Friendly x 1
                      • CanadianLori

                        CanadianLori Total Gardener

                        Joined:
                        Sep 20, 2015
                        Messages:
                        9,917
                        Occupation:
                        Battle Axe
                        Location:
                        Oakville, Ontario, Canada Zone 5A
                        Ratings:
                        +31,750
                        I agree with @Verdun. There is nothing worth saving in that lawn area. Use roundup/glyphosphate and destroy the lot. Then you get a fresh start.
                         
                      • clanless

                        clanless Total Gardener

                        Joined:
                        Jan 20, 2013
                        Messages:
                        3,201
                        Gender:
                        Male
                        Occupation:
                        Gentleman of leisure.
                        Location:
                        North Wales
                        Ratings:
                        +7,631
                        :rasp:
                         
                        • Like Like x 1
                        • Verdun

                          Verdun Passionate gardener

                          Joined:
                          Oct 16, 2012
                          Messages:
                          7,475
                          Gender:
                          Male
                          Location:
                          West Cornwall
                          Ratings:
                          +17,487
                          Right, I'm off to cut my lawns.......the softness underfoot, that smell, those stripes, the satisfaction, and it is such a beautifully sunny day too :snorky:
                           
                          • Like Like x 1
                          Loading...

                          Share This Page

                          1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                            By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                            Dismiss Notice