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  1. liquidforce

    liquidforce Apprentice Gardener

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    Hi there, I will tell you all straight from the start that I know nothing about gardening etc......
    Basically we have lived out in the sticks for four years and have 3 acres of land, (agricultural, peat soil). I have done absolutely nothing with it for all this time through fear of the amount of work involved. Now i feel i would like to tackle it.
    It has nettles over waist height covering all the land, and I need to know what to do to convert the best part of an acre to a hard wearing lawn for the kids. Money is tight, so i gotta do it myself, and I do enjoy a challenge....can anyone advise me the best way to tacke it. I am a competent digger driver, so I am thinking scrape it off, but then what? Please, please give advice.
    Thanks.
     
  2. McGardener

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    Just bought some more wildflower seeds for a patch of my land from www.scotiaseeds.co.uk

    http://www.scotiaseeds.co.uk/meadowmix.htm
    Just an idea - if would be soo much easier than putting a lawn in.

    Quite a good right up at
    http://www.scotiaseeds.co.uk/howtoestablish.htm

    I've recently use some wildflower seeds on a 20 by 2 yard stretch of land - like two weeks back, and already the seedlings are shooting up.

    On the size of land that your talking about strim it back and hire a rotovator from your local hire shop.

    It would be so good to have hte ammount of land that you've got - i've got just about an acer of land.
     
  3. liquidforce

    liquidforce Apprentice Gardener

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    If i strim it and rotovate it, do i have to pick out all the weeds? And how do i stop them returning?
    Like i say, i am clueless.
     
  4. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    If you just want an area of roughish grass, then cutting down clear any rocks etc and mow it regularly.
    Its suprising how quickly the wild grasses take over and the broad leaved tall growing weeds die out.
    It wont be a lawn by any means but it will be usable, and it will improve each year. :D [​IMG]
     
  5. Marley Farley

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    [​IMG] Hi Liquiforce, welcome.. [​IMG]
    Whatever you do you will not have a hard wearing lawn for this summer for kids games. Turf cannot take that wear straight away & requires a Huge amount of watering to take.... Seed is soft & delicate for the first year.... :eek: If it were me I would strim it all back to about 4" high & clear away all the cuttings which will amount to a huge amount so you need to select an area to dump it all. Then I would weed killer the whole area with something like round up. It would probably need at least two goes to kill it all. Then rotovate well clearing out all the weed roots etc as you go. Level & roll firmly. Then either turf in the autumn or start from scratch with seed... Or of course you could just take the easy option of just strimming it short keeping it that way all summer & if all is dead then rotovate etc.... Kids could play on it but pretty unpleasant if full of stingers.... :eek: Well Liquiforce that is what I would do anyway. You could also go down the road that McGardiner has suggested either in the lawn area or do that in another area of ground & create a true wild flower meadow with none of all the work I have suggested.. :D .. Entirely up to you... [​IMG] I can see what you are saying as a digger driver but you will be scraping away all the topsoil which is where all the good soil is.....!! :eek: Hope this is of some help.. [​IMG]
     
  6. McGardener

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    liquidforce:
    Quite a good right up at
    http://www.scotiaseeds.co.uk/howtoestablish.htm

    I've done this across in america one summer for about 2 times that area - there were about 2 of us at any one time though.

    Anyways - strim, rotovate it - leave it a few weeks (for the weeds to shoot up again) - then deal with the weeds - cheapest would be to rotovate it again - then seed it with your choice of meadow mix.

    Its worth thinking about - tending a lawn the size that your planning is quite intensive - for quite hard waring lawn - given your kids et al - have a word with your local greenkeeper at the football park, golf course and see what they recommend. you get different lawn seeds for different purposes - they'd have good ideas - ask them for their supplier deatails - might even get it cheaper!
     
  7. Hornbeam

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    A hard wearing lawn and a wild flower meadow are not the same thing at all. A hard wearing lawn needs to be mown every week - a wild flower meadow just from July to October.
    If you have waist high nettles then you have a rich soil and not suitable for a wild flower meadow. So if you want a hard wearing lawn for the kids, forget the meadow and forget lawn seed and turves.
    Option 1 Spray everything with a total weedkiller, rake off dead nettles and burn them. Result - poisoned land that will grow nothing for ages
    Option 2 As above, but cut nettles first. At least you can use the nettles to make first class compost
    Option 3 Spray with weedkiller that works through the leaves, kills the nettles but doesn't poison the land. You may need to do this two or three times but at least the ground won't be poisoned and you can sow grass seed
    Option 4 Cut the nettles, rake them off for compost. Rotovate and remove all roots as they will just regrow
    Option 5 As for option 4, but leave roots. Be patient and repeat when they regrow. Three cuts should finish them off.
    Option 6 For a wild flower meadow only. Cut nettles, scrape off rich top soil to reveal less fertile soil. Meadow flowers will grow soft and leafy and not flower if soil is too rich.

    Assuming you want a mixed hard wearing lawn and not a bowling green, sew with grass seed and don't worry about weeds - they will toughen up your lawn for the kids to kick about on or whatever. Good luck!
     
  8. liquidforce

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    Thanks all, some good advice, think I'm going to strim it and rotovate it, getting as many of the roots out, then level it and throw some seed down.
    Looking on ebay for a rotovator, fancying a Howard 350, or a Landmaster with a villiers engine, will these do the job you reckon?
     
  9. Marley Farley

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    [​IMG] Hi Liquidforce,
    Glad to hear you are going to give it a good bash & then seed it. By the time next summer comes you should have a beautiful patch of green carpet..... ;)
    :confused: Not a rotovator person myself, have always hired one... Sure somebody else will have a good idea on that...... [​IMG] Good Luck... Post some pics of before & after...... [​IMG]
     
  10. Hornbeam

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    Only problem with rotovating is that it does chop up the nettle roots and runners. Every fragment will root and grow.
     
  11. liquidforce

    liquidforce Apprentice Gardener

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    So all things considered, best to chop it down and seed it and just keep cutting? When i say best I mean easiest!!!
     
  12. Marley Farley

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    [​IMG] That might be the easiest way Liquidforce. You will have to see how much of a problem the nettles are. Well you could start that way, but don't forget you can't strim when your seed is growing..... Then if the nettles are still proving a problem, treat them only, with weed killer. You will need to use a systemic weed killer ( kills right to the roots) like "Round-up" if you do use it. [​IMG] Then at the end of the summer see what you have got... If it is ok, then "well done"!! If not then you have the Autumn & Winter to weedkiller it & rotovate ready for a Spring sowing.... [​IMG]

    [ 19. May 2006, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Marley Farley ]
     
  13. liquidforce

    liquidforce Apprentice Gardener

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    if I treat with weed killer, will it kill the seeds?
     
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    [​IMG] No it won't kill the seeds if you spray first, if you use a systemic like round-up. Once it has dried on the plants it travels on through them & is not held on the soil. So weedkiller first then sow seed after you have an idea of how much is dying off..... Probably about a week or so [​IMG] [​IMG] If you are talking of spot teatment after strimming, no it won't affect the seed as long as you are careful... [​IMG]

    [ 20. May 2006, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Marley Farley ]
     
  15. liquidforce

    liquidforce Apprentice Gardener

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    Have made a start on the garden, here are a few photo's.

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