industrial weed killer?

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    alpha-dog Apprentice Gardener

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    what is the legalities of using industrial weed killer without a licence/training?

    I'm planning to use it on my own garden and not for comerical use.
     
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    If you are using it in your own garden who is going to know anyway?

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      just incase it goes into next doors garden
       
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      What is industrial weed killer? Just wondering if the the same stuff anyone can buy in a Garden Centre but in a larger quantity?
       
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      I feel sure that, as a responsible neighbour that I'm sure you are, I feel sure that if you think there's any risk at all of your weedkiller going into the neighbour's garden, 'industrial' or otherwise, you wont take that risk.
       
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        its weed killer that you need training and certificates to use, really strong compared to stuff in bnq etc..

        yeah, my garden is mostly brick and stones, stones are on top of a sheet of plastic with clay under that. would it be safe to use stuff like clinicAce on it? obviously I'll not be using it near the edge of my garden so it doesnt go into the neighbours garden.
         
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        You've answered your own question there then :dbgrtmb:
         
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          That's a very interesting article, but the headline seems a tad misleading.

          It says in the article that
          So its not glyphosate that causing the problem as such, it is that other toxins are enhanced by the glyphosate, which lets face it, shouldn't be on food crops anyway, except for...

          I'm glad I don't (knowingly) buy my food from the US of A. That's the bits that's terrifying for me. Genetically modified crops as standard, being grown because they can withstand being bombarded with chemicals that would kill most plants.

          I know in the UK our food crops are routinely sprayed with stuff too, but this suggests to me that in the US they spray more chemicals, and possibly in greater quantity, and that rather than being limited by what the plants can withstand, they are limited only by how much the crops can be modified.
           
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            why hire someone just because they've done the training and got these certificates and pay over the odds for what seems to be an easy job? I would use the weed killer from bnq etc but tbh think my piss has more strength to kill the weeds....
             
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            Lots of wheat for bread come from USA and Canada to mix with UK wheat
            Lots of soya comes to UK from USA and Canada for animal feed
            So yes you will be eat some thing from USA
             
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              If you didn't drive, would you pay a tax/bus driver to take you? It looks easy. When I've seen airline pilots on telly or on Youtube, they look like they're just sitting there to me. Maybe occasionally pushing a few levers or flicking the odd switch.:)

              With chemicals, often the certificates don't just prove that you know how to apply them when everything is going to plan, but they also prove you've shown that you know what to do if you spill a load, if it gets on your skin, if its inhaled, if it leaks and contaminates anything, how it will react with other common stuff, what situations would rule out its use, what other gear you should have to hand in case things go wrong, who to contact if a situation escalates beyond your control etc etc.


              Off-the-shelf Round Up will kill any weed you have if applied correctly.
               
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                but you can drive a car on private land so why can I used industrial strength weed killer if it is on private land?

                tried that stuff before, didn't work and I'm not for doing it over and over again.
                 
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                How did you use it when you did it before?
                 
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                The spraying is the easy part ... knowing what protection you need to use, and having that equipment, is the bit that you get training for. The stronger products used by professionals are often carcinogenic in use, even if they then have no measurable effects once applied. The fact that products for Amateurs are weaker is an admission that people without training need corresponding less harmful products as a consequence and in expectation that their Personal Protection Equipment is mediocre at best.

                Do you have breathing equipment (not just a face mask)? Tyvex "suits" that are worn once and thrown away? and all the rest of it ... and would you know how to make the "rubber gloves" integrally tight with the suit etc? or are you planning just to use some dungarees? and is your Mother/Wife/Partner then going to wash them? Any idea of the consequences of that?

                Its your health that is at risk ... plus anyone else as a consequence of your actions of course, but assuming you use common sense then I expect that probably 90% of the risk is for you, and I think you'd be mad to be messing around with those sorts of chemicals. Even if I was trained I wouldn't want to use them ... plenty of farmers have died horrible deaths because the toxicity of the chemicals only became apparent years later - remember Thamilomide - a drug deemed safe. Or DDT. The list is long ...

                What is the weed you are trying to eradicate?
                 
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