Inset stoves

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    `Has anyone got an inset stove? Just wondering how good/bad they are.

    We asked for a quote to fit a log burner and they ended up quoting for an inset, probably down to space, and frankly I'd not heard of them. They look kind of nice but have zero experience of them...
     
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    I have one, I'm on the phone re a missing item in an online order deliv ATM, but will get back when I'm finished.
     
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    We chose an inset stove for our lounge because we wanted a tiled art deco surround to match the (knackered) one on our open fire and to fit in with the room decor. A standard woodburner located where all the heat from the sides/top will be slightly more efficient, but I spent time infilling the opening with blockwork including corbelling and using a lintel to infill above.

    It might cost slightly more for installation, but I did everything myself apart from the flue, and it's multi-fuel so (smokeless) fuel can also be used. I'd suggest getting a spare set of the cast iron 'firebrick' inserts when purchasing and keeping somewhere safe ready for when they need replacing.

    Fire surround was similar to Craddock all-tiled Art Deco fireplace | Twentieth Century Fireplaces and I collected (daughter was at Manchester Uni) and fixed that myself. I went for a hearth projection of more than the legal min projection to ensure no hot particles of ash fell from the door onto my £1,200 rug.

    P.S. My stove installer reckons the new low emission designs are useless and to get an old style one in quick before they become illegal.

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      Specification states "Heat Output 4.9kW". Ours is 5kW and it's the only form of heating we've used in our 1901 sold brick walled, 3.4 x 3.7m lounge with a floor to ceiling height of 2.445m with an original single glazed sash window. Only used 5 Kg of smokeless fuel since the end of last summer + free wood (trees and pallets, got 12m3 stacked in the garden).

      We keep our house a lot colder than most. On a very cold morning it's 13.8 deg C in our lounge, but we don't ming 16 deg and 20 deg is acheivable. If it's a prolonged icy spell we'll used some smokeless fuel (cheap stuff from Lidl when they have £10 off £40 spend vouchers in the newspapers, or admit defeat and turn our heating on as low as possible to get it to an acceptable temperature.

      I suppose it all depends whether you want want to heat solely using your stove (which is expensive and time consuming unless you have a source of free wood and plenty of spare time) or use it to top up your main heating.

      I got a really good price for ours from stovebay and got the surround manufacturer to match it, meaning I could pick up every myself in one go whilst in Manchester and save myself 2 delivery charges. And as stovebay included enamelled finish FOC I got a really good deal. Unfortunately they don't sell that Tiger stove.

      The hearth projection shown in your link would mean hot embers on the ledge inside the door at the base of the glass could fall onto your floor as the stove door would open beyond that hearth.
       
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      Oh it's really only to look nice! Plenty of central heating blasting away I expect as I have a very cold wife lol Think it will be OK. We can't fit it straight away as funds are running dry
       
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      Even with doing everything apart from the flue myself, reducing costs as much as possible (without sacrificing on quality), using free fuel and relying on it to also heat the room above, it'll be several years from installation before we're near to breaking even by turning off our other heating.

      But it is very cosy on a cold evening.
       
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      It's more of a 'feature' than for anything so just making sure there aren't horror stories about them. Initially I'll just edge the opening and have an oak beam mantel. When we get the pennies together I'll go back and line the flue and get the stove installed... The payback on this place is about three centuries lol
       
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      If you intend retaining that, you'll need to ensure it's intalled at the correct height above the top of stove, which while the rear cassette size is generally constant, can vary between stoves and models keep going out of production, plus taking into account the depth of the hearth, the affect of it's projection on whatever floor finish is infront of it, including the need to chop out/overlay/replace the floor boarding/covering under immediately infront of the stove.

      Just go for it now and start enjoying it.
       
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      18" or 450mm apparently. No issue there, lots of space for it. I'd love to do it now but the pennies just aren't there :( We've spent about a million quid in the last year and we're tapped out.
       
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      And I rely on loads of free broken pallets, about 40 - 50 at a time dropped off FOC by a local builders merchants and about 3m3 of sticks our dog brings back home for fuel, but previously Mrs Scrungee used to assist poor people with money advice, and I would help wealthy clients save £100,000's
       
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      I'm all for free stuff!

      Might tidy up the base of the fireplace as it's a bit pitted. Can you use ordinary 5:1 mix with cement or a special mortar required? It's only to tidy up and level off.
       
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      OK, I had a read up and it seems refractory cement is needed. For the hearth, as it's a concrete floor, I'm pondering all sorts. Maybe just tile onto it or use a slate slab
       
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      Have you ensured all you damp proof courses/membranes and the likes of expanded polystyrene cavity wall insulation are far away enough from the stove?
       
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      House is only single skin and back of stove will be well clear of any damp course...assuming they ever fitted it!
       
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