It's that time of year again - compost

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  1. Fat Controller

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    I'm sure that I am not alone in sitting planning for this year's display whilst itching to get some seeds sown; we have decided that we are going to get some shelves that we can use to start stuff off indoors at the end of Feb/start of March to hopefully avoid having titchy wee plants that are not mature enough when they are planted out (particularly things like petunias for example).

    All of my barrels will require their compost to be changed (that is a lot of compost!), with the old stuff going to be spread across the lawn to add some organic material.

    For the past couple of years, I have used Jack's Magic, which seemed like a good buy not least as it is fine enough to use for seed sowing - but, none of my plants really excelled themselves even in baskets and planters; stuff grew OK, but nothing really grew to that 'nice, big healthy looking plant' stage, if you know what I mean?

    So, what compost is everyone intending on using this year?
     
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      Good afternoon I always use West+ Multi Purpose Compost a little expensive but it works for Woo:smile:
       
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        At a rough calculation, I think I need somewhere in the region of 2000-2500 litres - is there anywhere that would supply the likes of West+ as recommended by our Woo, by the pallet?
         
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        I've used Jacks Magic and found it to be pretty good, I do steer clear of the really cheap stuff you can buy in places like Wickes, I only buy sharp sand there ;)

        I tend to think in many cases its down to feeding, multipurpose only has around 6 weeks max of fertiliser, after that it's more about feeding.
        I quite often mix in controlled release fertiliser like Osmocote.
        But I still liquid feed, as well, by mid summer when everything is growing like the clappers.


        When buying MP compost I usually go for one that contains a bit of soil, when potting up I often still add some more JI 3 and mix it all in.

        But then I do mess around a lot, adding sand or grit depending on what I'm growing.
         
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          Just looked again FC, 2000-2500 litres is that in just a couple of containers?

          Only just wondering, on that scale you might be better with almost all of it soil, rather than compost as such.
           
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          No, that takes into account all containers, baskets, planting out etc. I used to use Homebase stuff which comes in the big 120L bales, but we lost our entire strawberry collection due to those wee white grub things eating the roots, and I am not convinced that they didn't come as a free gift with the compost
           
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          My favourite MPC is Clover , an Irish make , not available everywhere. I also use the B and Q Verve stuff . As Pete , I also add some sharp sand and slow release fertiliser pellets to the mix . I also liquid feed with tomato food from the back end of July.
          2500 Litres is around 34 bags , as above it may be worth having a cubic metre ( 1000 litres approx ) of soil delivered . Not sure how the costs work out.
           
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            I dont think its likely vine weevil was in the compost FC, they do get going pretty fast, and probably your strawberries were already harbouring them when you planted.
             
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              Soil is over £100 for a cubic metre, whereas I can get a bulk bag (900L) for just under £80 - BUT, that is delivered by crane to the driveway, and that would be something of a nightmare to get into the back garden; plus, three or four huge bags sat in the driveway would likely see it nicked before I could get it moved.
               
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              I'm guessing you dont have any outside route from the front to the back?
               
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              Only a passageway that runs between the side of the house and the outhouse - not all that wide, certainly not wide enough for a wheel barrow.
               
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                I know some aren't too keen on it, but I get on ok with B&Q's MPC. As others have said, I always add some slow release pellets just to help things along. Although they claim to have enough nutrients to keep plants going for 6 (?) weeks, I very much doubt it. I will normally start liquid feed when the plants look like they're really getting going, a fairly weak solution at first.
                 
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                  Do you have to strip all your pots/barrels, could you not use 50% new 50% old compost?

                  Bnq have 125l verve compost think it was £6.97 so will pick up a bag to try but more than likely I'll get asda 70l 3 for £10 (if it's still that price this year and even though its not that great) or if I'm feeling flash it'll be miracle grow 50l 3 for £12 in the "what" shop.
                  Wickes has some 70l bags for £5. odd, never tried it.. bit too far to be fetching compost for me.
                  I think I looked online last year for a tonne of topsoil and it was about £70 in most places and just had a quick nose on ebay 20-30 quid but you need to pick it up yourself, some do deliver though.


                  Have still got a few bags left from my wilko binge last year:
                  7 miracle grow moisture control compost 20l, 2 wilko tub and basket 20l, 2 wilko bedding 20l, 1 westland and 1 grow sure seed and cutting compost 20l which I tucked into yesterday, 2 westland potting on 20l, 1 westland mature plant 20l and about 30l of verve ericaceous.

                  but obviously I need more :)
                   
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                    We always use Wickes MP (except for the year they made a b@lls up of it) and buy it in their 70 litre bags (used to be 75 litres). I don't know what price they will be selling it at this year but it was £14.69 for four (without any vouchers :)). We get through about 6,000 litres in a season but we sow lots of seeds and do a lot of potting on.

                    We don't use any fertilisers to start with but they're usually being potted on a few times so can get by on the little that's in the compost. Once they're into 2 litre pots or bigger then we add some slow release fertiliser. Large pots and hanging baskets get watered with liquid fertiliser regularly.

                    We find the Wickes stuff perfectly adequate and quite economical in that quantity. We don't order bigger bags because of the problem with moving them.
                     
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                      I use the Wickes stuff mostly, same as Shiney it does Ok for me. I tried some Jacks Magic last year too, I think it did do slightly better but it's probably down to the amount of feed in it. As pete says you need to give a regular liquid feed to keep most things growing well over the season, particulary in containers, as the rain washes out nitrogen.

                      I also mix in water retaining crystals, I buy a few packs at a time from Amazon - again I think that's really necessary for containers.

                      I have access issues too and like the Wickes stuff as I can get 8 bags in my little car each time I pass Wickes then carry them to the back garden, it's gives me a bit of exercise after I get home from work and before tea :)

                      You only need to do that twice and it's over a 1,000 litres.
                       
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