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  1. wiseowl

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    Morning I feel that that I must mention last nights terrorist attack in London .I'm not sure what to say,as it makes Woo so angry,so I will just say my heart goes out to the 6 people that lost their lives and the 48 that were injured and their families :sad:
     
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      Same here. Sad that the innocents are caught up again. Wish people wouldn't use religion to justify their barbarous behaviour! In this day and age, religions lead to more factions, arguments and intolerance. Learn right or wrong by all means ..
       
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        Yes so sad and so shocking! So very sad that these atrocities have to involve innocent lives.. My thoughts are with the families involved..
         
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            Media should report a lot less to the public, as media are mostly responsible for the climate of fear in which we live. They also ignite hate, terrorism and violence, and they make loss of a life feel as if it is not a big deal.
            I am of course enormously sad for the injured and those who lost their lives, but we cannot keep on "paying" for acts that we don't want to be a part of !
             
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              Morning my [email protected] we will have to agree to disagree:sofa: The terrorists not the media are responsible for the climate of fear ,but I don't agree that we actually live in it

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              We are part of it because your quote reminds Woo of another quote "because some countries stand at the bottom of the mountain but we have chosen to climb it:paladin:;):blue thumb:
               
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                How many people need to die before we see some action?

                I know this will make me as popular as a fart in a wetsuit, but I really do believe the time has come for a harsh tightening of our procedures and laws - not only should we be blowing ISIS to Kingdom-Come abroad, but we should be eliminating them here in the West; anyone found to be even remotely linked to an incident like this should be given an instant whole life term in jail if they are a UK national by birth, or put on the first plane back to their country of origin, and taken there by armed officers. Any trials or appeals should then be done, at our leisure, either from within custody or via the embassies of other countries for those deported.

                Until our respective world leaders grow a set of balls and get a hard grip on this issue, these attacks are going to keep happening.
                 
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                  Not you, you live on the tree (joke!) :SUNsmile:
                   
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                    I agree fat controller.....it seems we have to acknowledge everybody's human rights. How did
                    /do we allow Isis fighters to return to the UK? There are hundreds ...thousands??.....here now all potential suicide bombers! Time now to turf them out asap
                     
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                      The last one, we were paying his student loans and he wasn't at school/university so the papers say :wallbanging:
                       
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                        Shocking. I used to go to that area of london every week, sometime twice a week to study. Always in borough market and walking through southwark back to waterloo....makes it feel even worse when you know the area so well. I'm expecting something bad to happen on polling day and predicting something will happen at kings cross or waterloo in the near future. :cry3:
                         
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                          @fat controller, you've not said anything I've not said :dbgrtmb:.

                          I'm going to upset someone now....sorry :mute:...what needs to happen is quite simple, the 4000 people who are here who are 'suspected' terrorists need to be deported! Britain is far too tolerant, we accommodate everyone & it can't go on. I for one am delighted that the three terrorists have been shot, that's good news to me, that saves the tax payer millions of pounds paying for them to be in prison.

                          Can any of you imagine the terror & fear those innocent people felt? Imagine for a moment being locked in a restaurant like a sitting duck! Imagine being told to walk out of a club with your hands on your head not knowing if you were safe, imagine helping someone who is bleeding to death? No one should have to ever see or go through what all of those innocent people have had to go through. I wasn't there but I must admit that I sat on the sofa & cried, I'm not sure if it was fear or shock.

                          Again I feel proud, proud to be British, proud that our NHS is such a wonderful service, proud that our police service are simply fantastic, proud that our emergency service personnel who were not on duty helped with the attack & proud that members of the public tried to help, putting their lives at risk to help others...that sums up Great Britain, we are great & will will get through this & we will win....end of rant :blue thumb:
                           
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                            Oh well we bred them back in the days of the islamic clerics having their say a few years ago. When we were not allowed to stop them, due to free speech:biggrin:

                            Now we reap the rewards, round up, all know to the security forces, and deport or intur.

                            At the moment it's a bit like entering a boxing ring with an opponent who can hit below the belt and gouge your eyes out, but you have to abide by the rules.

                            Teresa May came out with a statement today, about getting tough, but I doubt with the likes of Jeremy's bunch, Timid Tim and the Green as grass bunch, and especially with the courts, nothing will happen.

                            As they say things will go on as usual,:biggrin: nothing will change turn the other cheek, and get on with it.

                            I think we were lucky this lot seemed to be pretty much amateurs, no guns and only fake suicide vests, if they had been the real thing it could have been very different.
                             
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                              Thing is alot of suspected terrorists are likely to have been born here and radicalised, unlikely there is anywhere to deport them to....but I understand what your saying. I don't think there is a simple answer to this.

                              At least if we had some investment in the nhs and police services and a good education system which actually trains the new generation in cyber crime etc (as we currently massively lack in this type of expertise) we may stand a chance. With the Tory's in power unfortunately this is not going to happen. Looking at May's record to date she has done nothing in the past few years in her role before PM to tackle this escalating.

                              Luckily the younger generation seem to understand that it's not about religion or race but about crazies wanting power. Hopefully we can all learn from the past (ie radicalism/
                              nazis/holocaust etc etc etc) to understand that hate breeds hate.

                              I've never considered myself as a "leftie" had have previously voted Tory and Labour based on manifestos etc, but I can't see how we can carry on as we are with the Tories in power. The whole situation makes me feel so sad and puts me off ever bringing a child into this crazy world.
                               
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                                I think this was planned and they used the vests to deter ppl coming closer and scare ppl even more without having to go to the effort of a real explosive vest. Absolutely sickening.
                                 
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                                  @Snorky85 - if they are born and bred here, they should be jailed for life; whole life. Oh, and jails should not be the cushy number that they currently are with Playstations and pool tables etc.

                                  I agree that Maggie May and her Tory counterparts haven't done much in the face of this escalating problem, but can you really see Corbyn being any more effective? Yes, hate breeds hate - I agree, and that is exactly what is happening here and now. These attacks are building hatred amongst many people in this country, and that hatred is being misdirected at times - admittedly, usually by those with lower intelligence levels - toward other people in this country, purely because they are of a certain race or religion; on every level, that is wrong.

                                  Talking is not going to fix this - nor is rolling over, being 'tolerant' or continuing to allow these extremists to move in and out of this country freely.

                                  Yes, we absolutely should be tolerant and understanding of others race, religion and ways of life, but they should be tolerant of ours.

                                  Time for the western world to join forces, and send a whole load of military firepower to their doorstep!
                                   
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                                    Totally agree @fat controller but I dont think the tories are helping in the way they are damaging public services. We need a really strong public services set up to cope with these attacks....that is something a good government can do something about. The actual action to take to deal with homegrown terrorists is so difficult I really don't know what can be done....May or Corbyn or whoever. I will be watching with interest as to what action is going to be taken.

                                    It does make me feel so sad when I hear the anti-muslim comments as I have many muslim (and many other race/religious) friends and have seen how it hurts them when they are grouped into the "terrorist" category. Alternatively I can see how if it was one of my family members that were hurt or killed that the pain of that would probably fill me with rage and hatred. It's an awful situation this world is in and I dispair at it. :sad:
                                     
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                                      Oh No I don't ! I am a barn Owl and I reside in a barn;)(Joke)
                                       
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                                        They knew they were going to die when they set out on this.
                                        Are you suggesting that if real explosives were available that they would have still used dummy suicide vests?
                                         
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                                          My thoughts were that they've used this as a quick and easy way of setting up a horrific attack...I think a suicide vest would take more planning. A fake vest would have the same i initial scare factor as a real one. Just my view on their sick tactics.
                                           
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