London Attack

In much the same way as policing and law making in general.
It's mostly based at criminal activities.

The thing is we are not dealing in these cases with criminals, these are something very different and as such need to be treated different.

And the laws need to change giving more powers regarding terrorists, until of course @"M" s plan comes into effect in 30yrs time.

 

But it was regarding a quote from you in this thread.

 

Sorry, had to edit: the two are not mutually exclusive.

 

It was a range, not a definitive

 

I actually struggle with the accuracy of this statement.
On the surface, I totally agree with it - yes there *has* been drastic cuts to services; but, then I have to ask myself: why?! Why did they do that? It is almost shooting oneself in the foot. Something no self respecting Government would do unless under duress.
The answer to the "why" seems pretty clear cut to me: when the Tories took over Government, from a Labour Government, it was to a state of national debt so huge, that drastic measures were needed to begin to even address, let alone rectify, burgeoning issues.
Put it in terms of your own household budget. If you should find yourself in horrendous debt, where do you being to prioritise?
There is a formula, of course

 

So sad.

 

Firstly hello from canada! Its 5:55 am so i must be jet lagged lol.

Understand what your saying @M but...

I dont want to give out too many details about where ive worked and what data ive had to analyse etc (because i have to sign various NDAs) but I can assure you im not wrong (i specialise in public sector accountancy and financial/non-financial audit). Ive worked under a labour government and a tory government in various public sectors....especially police, local gov and NHS and have seen the funding decline. The tory government have absolutely no plan in how to effectively make the cuts in these key services...they have no idea how to make real "EFFICIENCIES" rather than just slashing budgets. Example in the NHS....they had a big plan to swap around and slash budgets to move money from trusts into the community and give to councils to stop hospital admissions (the Better Care Fund)...what a DISASTER that has been....absolutely no plan whatsoever. NHS england a complete cock up......supposed to cut red tape and admin by disbanding PCTs and creating CCGs but ended up adding another layer of admin to the whole thing....AGAIN A DISASTER COSTING MORE. That's just the NHS. IN Local Gov (now i have to be careful) i have come across awful TORY politics that have actively prevented the administration and function side of councils which should NEVER happen. And lets just say a particular tory council area...struggling with provision of council houses....loads of new private landlords available to get ppl out of long term living in b&bs....but oh no...the tory council leader wont let the private landlords rent to council tennants unless they're part of his tory group of friends. ABSOLUTELY disgusting.

I've also met Jeremy Hunt and Boris Johnson and all i can say is what a pair of uninformed ****s.

I'm not saying this being a "LEFTIE"...as in the past I've voted tory and labour and based it on manifestos, the possible leader etc. I'm saying this because of my experience working under this tory government...

Totally agree with @ARMANDII about ring fencing.....but they wont do that as they want to privatise the nhs....that is already happening gradually.

Slightly gone off topic of the London Attacks but is a good talking point.....I will be waitig up to see the election result with interest over here in Vancouver. Will be amazing to come back to a new government but have a feeling I won't.

 

What on earth are you doing popping up *there*? Shineyland was closer - and no jet lag
Enjoy your time in Canada and don't forget to wave in the direction of @CanadianLori as you go about your business.

 

Well every year when I get my council tax bill there seems to be a hike in what part actually goes to the Police.
Also I live pretty near the Kent Police Headquarters, if they are struggling it certainly aint showing.
The place has increased building wise over the last 20 yrs massively, I can only guess they employ many more office staff now than they used to in order to fill those buildings.

The traffic section moved some years ago and went to a ginormous new site near a motorway junction, they sold off the land and the police housing in the area.

Yes there might be cuts regarding Bobby's on the beat, but regarding helicopter movements, some around midnight in Chinooks, and office staff the place is heaving.
Looking at that one place I'd hardly say the Police are struggling, if they are they need to sort out their budget.

 

Without particlars, the reduction could have been through attrition , desk jobs, those not pounding the pavement or investigating risks. Or traffic coppers or or or. Without data, it is a giant enigma.

Well the election shows the demand for change. The results are yet to be seen.

I'm crossing my fingers that your government will maneuver through the minefield of changes needed, pre and post Brexit...

oh, and did I say I'm looking forward to Shineyland 2018