More shrubs

Finally managed to dodge the rain today and snap these two. Any ideas?

First is a complete mystery: little if any scent. Nice shaped plant and is about 6ft high. Established and slow growing. Has berries later in the year but I can't remember what colour, think they might be black.





The second looks like a lilac, smells strongly of lilac but that small semi-varigated leaf? Shrub is about 5ft high and well behaved, no suckers. There is actually two close together in the full view.







Would love to propagate both so any ideas welcome. Instinct is semi ripe cuttings and/or layering

 

Lilac is one of the Syringas, there are quite a few, it may be worth searching on those for a start, I couldn't find any good enough pics in my
Reader's Digest Encyclopedia of garden flowers to positively identify though.

As for propagation why not try both layering and cuttings

 

Thanks Dorsetmike! Between RHS A-Z and a quick rummage round the web it looks as if it could be one of the dwarf lilacs, Syringa meyeri (Mayer lilac) - unless of course somebody knows better :D Leaf form looks right but I can't find a varigated one.

Soooo... Any starters on the first one?

 

The first one is definetly Syringa meyeri 'Palibin', and the first could be Enkianthus campanulatus.GF.

 

S.meyeri 'Palibin' it is then! Thanks GF for the variety.

I also think you could be right with Enkianthus campanulatus for the first one. The only other contender would seem to be E. deflexus but don't think so.

Many thanks for solving the the mysteries

[ 02. June 2007, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: frogesque ]