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  1. Gay Gardener

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    On brand new ex-factory cars, is there a period where the engine is so-called bedding in and the MPG will be lower than the average MPG expectation stated for the model? Or does this apply to cars of a previous era and that you get the MPG pretty much straight away that you will be getting throughout the life of the car (supposing it is well looked after and not caned).

    Having looked on the trusty interwebs there doesn't seem to be a concrete answer to this, or not that I've found.

    Can any of the GC auto afficionados clarify?

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    Hiya.
    Back in 2003, I bought a new MX5. At first I was only getting around 180 miles from a tank. After a few months, this went up to 240 from a tank. So yes, I would guess it takes a bit of time for the engine to loosen up a bit. Btw, I wouldn't have too much faith in the official MPG figures.
     
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      Evening GG :)

      Modern manufacturing techniques mean that the tolerances within engines etc nowadays are absolutely miniscule, and as such everything is pretty 'tight' when a car leaves the factory - in short, yes, you will notice an improvement in your MPG as the miles pass, and it will probably keep settling up to anything between 300 and 12000 miles.

      This phenomenon is usually more pronounced with diesels, but petrols are not immune.

      Also bear in mind the current temperatures and road conditions - an engine that is really cold will not run as efficiently as one that is warmed up, and will use more fuel in the warm up phase (although, thankfully that is generally very short with modern petrol engines); we tend to have more 'consumers' on (radio, heater, heated screens and mirrors, heated seats etc) the energy for which all impinge on fuel consumption.

      Finally, more people use their cars at this time of year than do in the summer, the net result of which is that the traffic flows are slower, and that also has an effect.
       
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        "Running in, please pass"
        45 mph for 500 miles.:snork:
         
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          Blimey Pete, that takes me back !:biggrin:
           
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            Same here , Running In , when did you last see that !
            GG for some unknown reason , MPG figures on cars are calculated by computer program after a very short controlled test run . To achieve the published MPG would be amazing .
             
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              Have you got one of those displays that shows average MPG?
              And also instant MPG.

              Mine is very inlightening, it goes from around 7MPG, foot down going up hill to around 50mpg coasting downhill.
              Just shows how you drive, and where, makes all the difference.
               
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                A while back I had a 5.3 litre Jaguar XJS. I lived 3.5 miles from work and in the winter it did 8.5 mpg to work and back and in the summer 12.5 mpg - because it was warmer. On a long run on the A1 I could get 40 mpg or more.

                So as Pete says it all depends on the circumstances. The mpg displays are very interesting. I wish my Mondeo had one.

                I understand the mpg tests have to abide by EU regulations but are entirely unrealistic as they can be manipulated. I have read that they are allowed to reduce the weight of the car by removing spare seats etc. They can remove the alternator and wing mirrors and are allowed to tape up all the door openings etc to reduce drag, and fit special tyres which are overinflated. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fuel-economy-figures-new-cars-good-think.html
                 
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                  Thanks for replies.

                  @fat controller - I was wondering if the technology had changed so that is useful. I noticed with my old car that the MPG drastically improved after several weeks of driving, that was in ye olden days though. Early days with my new car but it seems to be getting very good milage straight out of the box. Only two tanks of petrol used so far but clocked via on board computer thingy and doing it brim to brim calculations and I'm being gentle with it a bit as per the running in manual instructions. I do 80% A road and 20% town so fuel economy tends to be good anyway even on the old Corsa.

                  @pete - yes, it has more gizmos that I know what to do with, I think 8 different sorts of milage related readouts. Gawd it's even got electrickery windows. Also has an Eco light that comes on when you are driving for optimal fuel economy which is pretty much common sense really. Can't tell you what the instant MPG reads other than in town vs A roads as it's flat as a pancake round here, biggest hills are the speed bumps in Sainsburys :smile:

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                    There is no need to "run in " a modern car engine. But as the miles go on the engine beds in so becomes just that bit looser. The frictional reductions allow the engine to spin freely and this reduces the amount of fuel to make it spin. MPG will go up once this has taken place. A diesel takes longer to do this and MPG will rise by as much as 5. It can take 15.000 miles or more before the engine reaches its optimum.

                    Ambient temperature is a separate entity but as others have said will have a large bearing on MPG ..
                     
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                    Apparently, in a modern car, you use more fuel if the car is in neutral than if you leave it in gear. I've read a number of techy type explanations (don't really understand them) and this is one of them:-

                    "Coasting in itself is not an offence in the UK, furthermore on a modern car it actually uses MORE petrol than keeping the gear engaged with the throttle completely shut. Here's why... When the car is moving and you take your foot off the gas, a device engages in the electronics where only the tiniest amount of fuel is injected into the engine, to to keep the combustion process going. When the car's in neutral, either because your foot's on the clutch or you've taken it out of gear, there has to be enough fuel going into the engine for it to 'idle' at 700-800rpm, whilst also driving the power steering, alternator, aircon pump etc. If the car is rolling and in gear, all that is taken care of by the momentum of the car, which is why it does slow down eventually."
                     
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                      Used the wrong word @shiney , what I meant was going down hill in gear but no throttle or brake.
                      Not sure what the right term for that is?

                      I occasionally put it into neutral when coming to a stop at lights etc. but not for any length of time.
                       
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                        Going down hill in gear but no throttle or brake. That is called overrun Pete.

                        Things not to try , free-wheeling down hill and turning the ignition off - steering lock can come on ! Or free-wheeling downhill turn ignition off and you have no power steering - steering is unbelievably heavy !
                         
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                          I knew I was doing something wrong! :heehee:
                           
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