New Garden Soil Questions

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  1. Danny30

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    Hi all. I have just landscaped my garden but just had a few queries that I was hoping some of you more knowledgeable gardners could help me with

    1) I just wanted to ask if it's normal for the grass to still be spongy in places just over 3 weeks after completion? I am not walking on it but just tried one area to check and it felt spongy as well as a few areas of the borders when I planted some evergreens. I am hoping as it was laid in late October and the weather has been quite wet and coldish that it should improve in the spring. Would that be correct?

    2) How deep does my topsoil need to be for general shrubs that can grow up to a 1m. I currently have about 6 inches of topsoil over clay.

    3) When planting shrubs, how much space do you need from the fence? forexample a shrub with 80cm spread and 1m height, I planted about 40cm from the fence?
     
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    Was the soil firmed down before the grass was laid.
    Was it topsoil on top of clay.
     
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    Hi Pete, I didn't see whether they compacted the soil but assume they did, and it was topsoil on top of clay soil
     
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    If it feels spongy I think it indicates waterlogging, not too surprising if you have had lots of rain. It is better than leaving footprints which would indicate the soil had not been compacted. The waterlogging may be a long term problem, clay can form a hard impenetrable layer and 6 inches of topsoil is too little. I would leave it for the time being and providing you don't get puddles it will be OK.

    Your plant spacing is spot on.
     
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      Thanks. Do you think the topsoil level is enough to sustain the shrubs?
       
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      The shrubs shouldn't really have a problem. Their roots will go down into the clay, as long as it wasn't extremely compacted, and clay is quite nutritious.
       
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      6 inches is not enough assuming it's solid clay underneath.
       
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        I'd be inclined to dig out deeper holes for the shrubs and mix the clay with the topsoil.
         
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          Just a bit worried that if the topsoil under the lawn is "floating" on the clay you could be planting into a sump where the water from the lawn will drain into.

          I'd dig a test hole about a foot to 18ins deep and see if it fills up with water.
           
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            Was there anything incorporated into the clay prior to the fresh topsoil going down which was advised in another thread. The weather has been wet lately but I can see problems in the future if topsoil was laid directly on top of clay, especially on the lawn.
             
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              Nothing was mixed before putting topsoil but garden is higher then both next door gardens if that makes a difference. When I dug for the shrubs I saw no sign of water trapped on the clay below the topsoil.
               
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                Its not something you are likely to see immediately, you need to dig a hole and leave it a few days.
                 
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                  I was assuming that you dug deeper than the 6" when you planted the shrubs therefore the topsoil, presumably, got mixed into the clay. :scratch: Or were the shrubs tiny?
                   
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                    Sorry, yes I dug deeper for the shrubs and topsoil is mixed with the clay.
                     
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                      Hi all, an update. I walked on grass today and still some spongy areas. Is this normal or should it resolve by spring?
                       
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