New growth leaves drooping

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    Hello all

    I just noticed this morning that the new leaves on one of my roses are drooping - see pics. I planted it last October and fed it with fertiliser about 1 month ago. It really took off with lots of new growth but now the new leaves are drooping. The others which I planted at the same time seem OK. It would be hard to believe that it is under watered in April...................in Dublin!
    Any wisdom?

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    Monica

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      Hi Could you tell me what rose it is please and is it in a pot or the ground and the feed you used on it in October.Thank you:)
       
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        Wiseowl. I KNEW I was going to be asked what the rose is.............and I don't know. It's a climber, in the ground and as far as I remember it's a David Austin. I used this fertiliser: http://www.neutrog.ie/sudden-impact-for-roses/. I followed the directions fairly carefully and hoped it would be safe to use as the rose has been in the ground since October.
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          No worries Monica we all have some roses we don't know the name of;) In my experience when the rose leaves wilt(droop) it is the roots which are complaining,yes it can be not enough water or to much water,or possibly lack of nitrogen,if it were my rose I wouldn't have fed it yet,my advice for what its worth is to leave it and keep a careful eye on it.Its probably in its defensive mode,please let us know how your rose progress's .Thank you
           
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            IF the is in a pot could it be waterlogged? What soil did u use did u use any fresh manure on it? Did it put on alot.of growth and then get hit by cold spell? Off to look up ratio on that feed
             
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            ITs 9:4:12 how is that for roses woo? Toprose is 5:6:12? (Nitrogen:phosphoris:potassium) for those less expert like me _lol.
             
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              Thanks wiseowl and chimneyRG.
              The rose is in the ground so unlikely to be waterlogged but I'm wondering about another possibility. I planted it very close to a well established clematis - see pic. Is it possible that having fed it, the roots are trying to establish themselves but are coming up against stiff competition from the clematis roots?:dunno: IMG_20130430_185626.jpg
               
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              When I compare N:P:K ratios I reduce so that the smallest is at "One" ... so 9:4:12 would be 2.25 : 1 : 3 - which means:

              2.25x as much N as P
              3x as much K as P

              5:6:12 would be 0.8 : 1 : 2 - which means:
              a little less N than P
              2x as much K as P

              I reckon that's quite a lot different :( In particular ITs is significantly more Nitrogen, which will encourage more green-growth ... but whether it matters I'm not sure ...
               
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                MMm its almost double the nitrogen isnt it? Hope it starts to perk up soon :)
                 
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                Yes, but it may be significant that the proportion of Nitrogen, relative to the other two, is very different.

                The NItrogen will boost its growth ... but may suppress flowering as a consequence
                 
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                  I've just read this thread, and I also have two climbers in two pots, which are doing the same ;new growth leaves drooping. I have taken one out of the pot to check if it's root bound, but there's nothing wrong there, however I also fed both with Top Rose about 6-7 Weeks ago- was this too early?
                   
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                  I fed all my Roses (in the ground) with Top Rose too, and about the same time. Its only in the last week or so that they have actually put on any leaf, so it was certainly "early" (as it turns out!), but I can't see that that would do any harm: Top Rose formulation is the right ratio for roses of course, so worst case it gets leached/washed away before the plant uses it because the plant doesn't come into active growth in time.

                  (Being "over-generous" with the fertiliser might upset them, but that would be my only worry)

                  I think Foul Weather may be the cause. I'm staggered at the number of things that are not behaving "normally" this year. For example, the thread on Ricinus seedlings - they grow like mad once they germinate ... normally ... not this year, and they were sown after the cold Spring start, so no real excuse unless the seed "knew" something?? <cue spooky music!>
                   
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                    I think you might be right; as I passed a collection of roses in a park the other day and the new growth on those were also drooping. Is there anything you can do, or just wait it out and hope that they revive?
                     
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                    I think wait for better weather and keep an eye on it.
                     
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                    Catjohnson. I took my rose out of the ground and put it in a pot because I think it might have been struggling to establish strong roots beside well established clematis - this is just a gut feel, I'm no expert in this area. Anyway, it is doing fine now. The new growth is strong, albeit it less progressive than before.
                     
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