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    I found these in just one tub today. Not vine weevil, despite their appearance, they belong to a large golden beetle, Cetonia aurata. Supposedly harmless to plants, don't you believe it! I bought an 'economical' compost from our local DIY store earlier this year, which turned out to be largely chopped-up wood waste with a bit of manure mixed in. The plants haven't done at all well, as water just drains straight through, leaving the top 6" just as dry as it was before watering, while the bottom half is sitting in foul, manure-y water. That was the least of it, though..the second photo is of the remains of a 4-year old begonia tuber...completely hollowed out. These beetles are one of many species here that thrive on old, decaying wood, which is exactly what compost manufacturers are using to replace peat! I'll be mixing my own compost from now on 20170729_101547.jpg 20170729_101533.jpg :sad:
     
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      You'd think they'd actually compost the wood before selling it :doh:
       
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        Noisette, most of the mpc available now are poor. We havent really replaced peat with an equally good product.
        I usually mix john innes or my own sieved soil with a mpc that appears ok.
        I have never seen those grubs before....they look horrendous :mad:
         
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          I'm working on making a peat substitute, gonna take a few years though, anaerobic decomposition involving nettles :spinning:
           
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            Well politically/ecologically correct or not, I'll be buying bales of peat and mixing it with sand, perlite, top soil et al.....There is a bit of a backlash going on anyway concerning horticultural use of peat. I believe the RHS have changed their tune a bit on the subject since all the trials proved that there's no effective substitute :scratch: On the bright side, Wiki claims that these beetles are rare in the UK. Let's hope so!
             
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              At least you'm not firing your power stations with it Noisette :biggrin:
               
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                I don't think we should be digging up Scotland's (or anywhere else's) peat bogs for horticultural reasons. It is an ecological disaster to be doing it and I am glad there are restrictions but there need to be more. I buy peat free which is I admit is pretty hit and miss and then add manure, my own compost and sand. It is not very scientific but it works and I get reasonable results. They will only stop using peat in compost if gardeners demand it. Hopefully if people did, the peat free compost makers would up their game and make better more consistent products.
                 
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                  There is at least one nursery that uses peat free compost and degradable pots made of coir, so eliminating plastic pots as well. When I went to The Eden Project last month, I came across them. They are one of The Eden Projects suppliers to their shop. I bought a few and they are really healthy plants. When planting you can plant the whole pot as well. It's what I did. So far so good but I think they would not biodegrade in very dry soil. So far they only do herbaceous plants and and herbs. It would be nice to think they are setting a trend which other nurseries will follow. If the demand is there from gardeners, it'll happen. Here is a link:

                  Mail order eco friendly plants and herbs, great gift collections
                   
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                    I've noticed bales of Irish moss peat seem to be more available again, it kind of became a no no for a few years.
                     
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                      Tryin to think of the presenter in an 80's wildlife docco who said it was the horticultural equivalent of knocking down St. Paul's Cathedral and using the rubble to line the garden path...
                       
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                        Anaerobic decomposition in progress :yikes:

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                          I wondered what that smell was, the prevailing winds are westerlies.:frown::biggrin:
                           
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                            It comes mostly from Ireland, Redwing, where they use Peat as fuel for 3, [Edenerry, Lough Ree, and West Offaly, of their Power Stations using millions of tons each year. The actual amount of peat used for Horticultural practices is absolutely minimal but the Ecology minded organisations find it easier to highlight the use of peat in gardening rather than tackling the Governments and Energy Companies who are the real villains in the Peat Show. So, let's not get led down the propaganda path that has been built to delude the public that Gardeners are the Villains.:dunno::snorky:
                             
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                              @ARMANDII i do not agree with peat fired power stations either! But it is no excuse to say they do it so so can we. Both reasons for peat extraction and destruction of that environment are equally bad IMO. To say I am "led down the propaganda path" is disingenuous. I am a conservationist and try to live responsibly. We all have a part to play in saving our planet that is being destroyed due to human activity. We can choose to use peat or not to use it. I don't know what the figures are for the use of peat in horticulture. I tried to research it once but didn't get very far but the tonnage is huge so definitely contributes to habitat loss on a huge scale.
                               
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                                Hi Redwing, no, I didn't say you, personally, were being led down the propaganda path. What I was saying was that interested Governments and Energy Companies are the main culprits in the destruction of peat reserves, but that the Eco organisations find it easier to focus on Gardeners rather than more powerful opponents.
                                I reckon most, if not all, Gardeners are conservationists of some sort or degree. I, for one, don't use Chemicals in the form of Fungicides or Insecticides and my garden is planted with plants attractive and useful to Wildlife. I also probably have the biggest Compost Heap in the local neighbourhood as everything from the House, that can be, is recycled back into the soil.
                                To be honest, I think there are bigger things other than the use of Peat being banned to be discussed such as the Climate Warming Agreement which the American Administration has withdrawn from, while also deliberately making the use of Coal fired Power Stations more attractive and viable.:dunno:
                                So far there is no usable Peat Free Compost on the market for use by Gardeners or any other users despite much research. So, as I said earlier, let's recognise that we Gardeners are not the culprits in loss or shrinking of Peat reserves and that the Media is being used to divert attention away from the real threat and users of Peat. If you look at the facts, the infinitely small use of Peat by Gardeners against that of the main users, is such that it is manageable and sustainable with the proper proposed regeneration plans. So the point of my earlier post was to highlight and focus on who is actually destroying the Peat reserves...........and that is not the Gardeners.:coffee::snorky:
                                 
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