peat in the pond?

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  1. DryasAnne

    DryasAnne Apprentice Gardener

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    I need something to plant my waterplants in, plants like Typha and Butomus.

    Can I use peat blocks in the pond to plant these?


    Also, my waterfalll, do I need to insert a filter, even if I have no fishes ?
     
  2. ARMANDII

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    Hi Ann, I have a pond for 16 years. Planting marginal plants [i.e. plants with their feet in the water] is quite simple, and you shouldn't use peat as it will turn the water acidic and also colours it.

    I've put my plants in to small containers with holes in the sides, lined with hessian, and then filled with ordinary garden soil. Once planted in the container cover the top of the soil with gravel to stop it leaking out, and that's it. You don't need to go to the expense of "aquatic" compost, which is only compost with no, or very little nutrients, in it.

    As for keeping your water clear there are a lot of schools of thoughts and techniques about that. I wanted to avoid having a filter and all the gubbins to go with it, so I took a "leaf" out of the late great Geoff Hamilton's book. He recommended that by using a fair amount of marginal plants they would keep the water clear by taking out the nutrients in the water thereby stopping algae from growing and blooming. I have to say it has worked 100% for me and I can truthfully say my pond water has always been crystal clear, even with fish in it.
     
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    Thanks for a most helpfull reply!

    I am new to this kind of gardening, my main problem just now "how to cover that ugly pond liner"

    Should I cover the bottom with "something", what would you suggest ?

    Geff H, sorry, I dont know any of his works, any particular book you took a leaf from ?
     
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    Hi DryasAnne, as ARMANDII said, you should not use peat, but I suggest you SHOULD use aquatic soil because it has so few nutrients.
    Often any "spare" nutrients will feed algae.
    I would also suggest using aquatic plant holders, not small containers lined with hessian.

    It used to be said that all aquatic plants should be in pots with hessian to stop the contents falling out, but then it was realised that after a while the hessian rots, so some one invented an aquatic plant holder with thousands of tiny holes, so no hessian required.

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    Old style of pot that required hessian.

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    New style of pot, with much finer holes. (No hessian required)

    If you put anything on a liner to cover it you risk puncturing it, so its best to leave it. Also after a short while you give all the bad bacteria some where to grow, and some where for algae to grow. It also makes it harder to clean a pond if its full of gravel* (You should also clean a pond once a year, to remove any old and decaying things, leaves, grass or anything else that may get blown or fallen in)

    If you give your pond a few weeks the water will change and you will not see the bottom as clear as you could.

    It is possible to have a clear pond by having enough plants as indeed ARMANDII has proved, BUT to be honest, it does not work for everyone, but the odd thing is, no one can explain why it works for some and not for others. I have also seen it where a pond is clear for years, and one year, pea soup, for no reason what so ever. But most agree if you are going to try it, you do need a lot of plants

    If you are considering fish, then a biological filter, pump and UV is a must.


    *Unless you have an under gravel filter

    Good luck, and how about a picture.
     
  5. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I've been dabbling with my pond since 1989, I started out with marginals planted in containers, back then it was hessian lined, I just used clayey garden soil, but found after a year or so most marginals escaped their pots.
    I've stopped bothering with marginals now and just grow elodea, plus in early spring I add water cress.
    Still have a waterlilly as well though.

    I find the floaters, (weed), that grow without soil are much better at using up the nutrients in the water, which means you get clear water easier.
     
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    This is the interesting thing when you ask gardeners about how they do things, Anne:D, they all differ.:heehee::D

    All I can say, is that what I have said is true. My pond has fish in it yet it has remained clear all the time without filters, because I did it the natural way using marginal plants to take out the nuturients. I don't believe that filters are a necessary evil unless you've got Koi carp which are heavy polluters All I have done is let nature do the job by using the marginal plants to take out the nutrients.

    Again, I have to disagree with Watergarden regarding aquatic compost and containers. My containers were lined with hessisan and filled with ordinary garden soil. Whether you use oridinary soil or spend on aquatic compost is up to you. any marginal plants you put in will, I assure you, take out whatever nutritents there are in the soil/compost and water, keeping your pond in balance the natural way. The hessian is still sound and the soil has not leaked through any holes, after 16 years, as the roots of the plants hold it. I know this because I repositioned all the containers two weeks ago, while cutting away dead growth to tidy things up.

    I would agree with Watergarden regarding the style of containers and the job they do. My containers were bought from Wilco's, they were 12" X 6" with holes in the sides and meant to general kitchen use. I bought them as they were a quarter of the price of those from the Aquatic Centers. Again, when checking them when moving them they were all still sound, not bad for the price and 16 years use. Unlike Pete I've never had a problem with marginals escaping their containers. Marginal plants are important because they really do keep the pond in balance by taking the nutrients out of the water for their own use.

    As they say, Anne, the ball is in your pond:D
     
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