propergating tomatoes from seed?????

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  1. oakdaledave

    oakdaledave Gardener

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    I was cutting up a tomato earlier and just wondered if it is possible to grow a tomato plant from the seed within the tomato. If so, how would I go about this and would I be too late for a crop this year? Thanks as always. Dave
     
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    Generally not recommended because the resultant plant may be "true" to the original, so you may wind up with inferior fruit, or a plant that is susceptible to disease.

    Having said that I get Tomato plants coming up all over my garden from the seeds that get chucked onto the compost heap, so they are easy enough to grow from seed if you want to try :)

    But my advice would be to buy a packet of seed, of a variety you like the look / sound / taste of, and grow those :thumb:
     
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    Although Kristen is correct that the seed may not grow true to the variety, we grow from seed of the previous year's crop and have not been disappointed yet.

    This year we are going to try and grow from the seed of last year's Koralik which were blight resistant and very tasty. We'll see how it goes.
     
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    If it's a tomato bought from the supermarket then it's not worth trying, you won't know if it's a hybrid or a variety bred specifically for a hotter climate. It's not worth taking the chance.

    As shiney says, it's possible to save your own seed from last years crop - I've saved some Amish Paste and will be sowing them in a couple of weeks time. You can only grow them on if they aren't labelled as hybrids.

    You have plenty of time yet to sow some for this years crop - if you are going to grow them outside I'd wait till then end of march to sow them (start them indoors on a windowcill)
     
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    I save seeds from both non F1 and F1 tomatoes every year with great success.
     
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    Remove the gel from the seed and put it in compost.It costs nothing to try
     
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    I agree with Shiney that you can get success growing from last year's crop of seeds but as Kristen says you do run a risk [isn't that what gardening's about??!] of possible problems. I've grown the Rosada plum tomato from the fruit of last year and had 100% germination so far. I've also bought fresh seed for a second sowing in a weeks time, just in case!!
    You've done well, Scrungee, to get success with the F1's as they're usually the one to depart from true and possibly give you inferior results - I reckon you've got green fingers!!
     
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    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    For a few years I grew "Santini" Toms from supermarket fruit, and they always cropped well and all the plants were very similar in fruit and growth habit.
    Not sure how it works, but if you grow from F1 hybrids open pollinated, isn't that what's called an F2?
    Sometimes seen in catalogues but not regarding tomatoes.
    I'm sure toms are self fertile anyway, but I know that would not make the resulting seed F1.


    I've also had good results with sweet peppers in the same way.
     
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    F1 means First Filial generation coming from a program of intensive cross pollination. When it reaches the final stage you cross the wanna be F1 with a completely different plant and gene properties and the result is a F1. I think an F2, even more complicated, is a further extension of cross breeding of the F1. Just so long as the result is sweet and juicy I'm not too worried if it's an F1 or an old true variety.
     
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    Thanks Armandii, glad I asked:scratch::D
     
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    I just this past weekend put some cherry plum tomatoes cut open in the soil ... that's how I always do them ... I don't care if they are not 'true' as long as they taste good! I have also saved seed on a paper towel and planted that .. and it does work! :)
     
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    F1 seeds are expensive because the parent plants are two seperatly maintained types. The crossing of these two lines produces a uniform plant with the best charactistics from the parents. F1 plants will be stronger and faster growing than their parents this is termed 'hybrid vigour'. All the F1 plants will be nigh on identical.

    F2 is just the next generation on from the F1 and will contain lots more variation, there will be some plants that will be just as good as the parents but most will be inferior and some will resemble their grandparents with poor yield/taste - its pot luck if you only grow on some and can be a bit of fun trying. Personally I wouldn't bother trying to keep tomato seed from F1 plants, I know F1 seeds are expensive but when you consider the amount of effort you put into growing plants a bit more spent on seed in the first place is worth it. A packet of Tomato seed lasts me several years anyway to keep the cost down.

    Like most people I grow mostly normal open pollinated tomatoes and only a few F1 varieties.

    Professional growers like F1 plants because they are uniform and will ripen at the same time. Thats not what we gardeners want, so for crops like peas/beans and cabbages its best to choose normal open pollinated otherwise if you grow an F1 variety you end up having to eat all your brussel sprouts in the week before christmas :heehee: Or else sow a few in succession which is a bit of a faff.

    The only veggie I always grow using only F1 seed is the all female cucumber, because the open pollinated varities start to turn bitter tasting twoeards the end of the season (or if the accidentally get pollinated)
     
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    I save seeds from bought Sungold F1 and then grow 100's of plants every year from them for sweet pasta sauce for several years. It doesn't matter to me that some of these may not be completely 'true to form' whatsoever. Every few years I buy another pkt from a car boot sale for 20p and save some more for the following few years.

    I do the same with Red Alert early outdoor bush tomatoes.

    F1 blight resistant toms may well be different, but there are a couple of non-F1 blight resistant tomatoes around suitable for seed saving.
     
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    I wish I could grow tomatoes using the method you use at this time of year, Victoria! If I did I'd have to keep de-icing them for weeks. Oh, what a difference of latitude can make![hr]
    It makes sense to me, Scrungee, doing it the way you do and getting the success you do!!
     
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    Ah yes, but that's different. You are starting with a known variety.

    The supermarket ones may be a variety specifically bred for a hotter climate and those are highly likely to lead to a poor crop, or worse, if grown in the UK; Farmers want an easy harvest, so they are likely to grow varieties bred to "all come at once". Supermarkets have various "wants" too - thick skinned Tomatoes so the fruit doesn't get damaged easily. Gardeners tend to want flavour, which usually means thin skins ...

    Sorry, but I don't think that is good advice. It takes months of growing to then possibly find that the crop is inferior, or non existent. You may of course find that you have grown the next wonder-variety - but that's a fun experiemnt, as distinct from growing a food crop.

    If you want to save money on seeds my advice would be to buy good quality open pollinated / "Heirloom" varieties, and then keep the seed for future years. Real Seeds sell them, and they even provide instructions on how to keep the seed yourself (kinda doing themselves out of business!)

    If you can find a specified variety in the Supermarket, and its a variety that you want to grow (and its an open pollinated variety, not a hybrid), then fine. But don't do that with bulbs rather than seeds as you run the risk of disease if you plant those.
     
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