Quick project: Stone circle to fig tree. Maybe.

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    Following on from notes in the 'What are we doing...' thread. Here's some quick and nasty pics of the small project to remove a stone 'crazy paving' circle and replace with a fig tree. That was the plan anyway; I've been held back by the weather (and may have waited until late March to plant anyway) which has presented a new opportunity, for a pond...

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      Have you dried off now, Andy?

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      Would you believe it started raining just as I was walking back in?! I only wanted a minute to take a picture but no, the weather has other plans for me lol
       
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        Fig tree would be happier on a wall? and with its roots constrained (encourages fruiting over excess growth I believe)

        Just thinking out loud ...
         
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          But only if you have a suitable wall. The one place I could locate it would be to the side but it has a bit of a drains nightmare configuration and I don't want roots interfering. This location, although not on a wall, will get the most light / heat available (I'm ignoring the weigelia to the right for now!). Another option is to the left of the garden, in the border. Again, this would get a lot of light but more of a faff as I'll have to dig out a bundle of plants including a pear tree.

          Already have the root constriction planned
           
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          :)

          Any evidence of whether a wall makes a significant difference, or not? I mean ... IF it will prevent you getting any fruit then not such a good idea ... I doubt that is the case, but there again I assume there is a good reason to plant them against a wall - rather than something like "You get 10% more fruit".

          Modern varieties may be very happy without the extra protection / heat of a wall, and the "plant on a wall" myth would still perpetuate
           
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          It's only for added heat really and helps prevent overly wet soil.
           
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          There is a large fig growing out of a stone wall where my other half used to work, every year it was covered in fruit. It was cut back at one point with the intention of removal because of the damage to the wall and the workman soon discovered that half the wall would have to be dismantled to get it out......it's still there and growing well. :)
           
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            Then I'm glad I've decided against putting it next to me wall!!
             
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            "Brown Turkey" dont need a wall, if you are trying something a bit different then maybe?
            Mine seem happy in just ordinary clayey garden soil, but best if it dont waterlog.

            I think summer sun is probably more important, they do get quite big eventually.
             
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            That's a variety name I recognise (as being readily available). Is it a new cultivar - in the sense that it has been found not to need a wall? or an old one - in which case did the Victorians used to grow that variety on a wall, and nowadays we've found it doesn't' need it?

            I'm curious as to why it seems that they were thought to need a wall, back in "Those Days"
             
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            I'm not sure but I think "brown Turkey" is the good old standby usually grown in the UK, personally I think its a bit insipid, but then I'm not sure I actually like fresh figs, as these are the only ones I have tried.
            I'm tending to think there might be a couple of better, newer, varieties out there now, that can be grown outside in the UK, without much in the way of protection.

            The Victorians were a bit over protective of their plants, I believe they often grew Camellias under glass, believing them to be really tender, or possibly they just wanted first class blooms untouched by the weather.
             
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              Brown Turkey is the standard one that has always been sold as 'The Fig for the UK'. It's a bit dull but copes well with the climate here. Most will grow fine in the UK but not perhaps to the best they can be. I went for a different option after quite a bit of research, there's a thread about it somewhere, but I've been trying to find a decent site over winter!
               
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                I did a Google.

                RHS says:

                There are a number of selections availableá
                • Ficus carica ‘Brunswick’ – very long lobed leaves
                • F. carica ‘White Marseilles’ – early, pale fruit
                • F. carica ‘Brown Turkey’ AGM – very reliable, mid-season fruit
                http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?PID=106

                AND:

                ‘Brown Turkey’ AGM: The classic fig for British gardens, heavy cropping, producing a mass of tasty fruit. Suitable outdoors or in containers.

                ‘Brunswick’: Hardy and good for growing outdoors, with large, sweet fruit.

                ‘White Marseilles’: Large fruit with sweet, translucent flesh. Ideal for growing in containers and outdoors, it produces two crops per year under glass.

                ‘Osbourne Prolific’: Delicious dark purple fruit. For greenhouse cultivation - except in warmer climates.

                ‘Rouge de Bordeaux’: One of the finest for flavour. Needs a warm, sheltered site or conservatory.

                http://www.rhs.org.uk/Gardening/Grow-Your-Own/Fruit-A-to-Z/Figs

                Telegraph:

                The best variety of fig tree to go for is Ficus carica 'Brown Turkey', whose fruit ripen in late August, and have a reddish-brown skin, red flesh and a sweet flavour.

                You can also try F. carica 'Brunswick', which ripens a few weeks earlier, and whose greeny-yellow skinned fruit have a sweet tasting pink flesh.

                F. carica 'White Marseilles' ripens in early September with fruit that have a light-green skin and green flesh.

                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/3343769/How-to-grow-figs.html

                Reads Nursery have 24 different varieties for sale. Wow!
                http://www.readsnursery.co.uk/categories/Fig-Trees/

                They have comprehensive growing instructions
                http://www.readsnursery.co.uk/fig-trees-for-gardens-and-greenhouses/
                 
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                  I should just chime in and say you can grow your Fig tree in a container. I've done this with my one and so long as it's in a sunny site it will produce fruit. Mine's Brown Turkey though
                   
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