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  1. Loofah

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    There's a conifer in my back garden that although I do like, I think will in the long term become too big. It's growing very strongly (more so since siting the compost heap close by!) and I think it will reach 50ft+. The pic doesn't show it too clearly but there 4 trunks going up into it!
    I've thought about pruning but it will leave large bare patches so really I'm asking for a kick up the backside to remove it and replace with a silver birch or something that will be able to be pruned and kept in check...
     

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    Cut it back and it probably won't regenerate (unless it is Thuja)

    You could clip it to the current shape & size each year (like a hedge)

    Or remove and replace. Big gap there until the new plant get big enough though - that's only a problem if it is hiding an eyesore currently, or blocking the wind (seems unlikely with a single plant though)
     
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    CLipping it makes it formal which isn't something I want to be burdened with (already have 20ft high leylandii hedge! Its certainly not a thuja unfortunately so any branches will leave behind dead patches.

    Its the big gap I'm concerned about. It doesn't really hide anything as I'm not hugely over looked but the are a few windows...

    This should be a simple choice dammit!
     
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    Only way (that I know of) to quickly fill a "hole" is trellis [or Obelisk] and a climber, dunno if that would work?
     
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    Well to fill this gap it would have to be about 25ft tall!

    I have to take it down or end up with a massive conifer that sucks everything out of the ground and casts deep shade... This I know but it's still making that leap lol

    How fast do silver birches grow? 1-2ft per year?
     
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    Not sure, but its a thin canopy compared to a conifer.

    Other small trees an option? Mountain Ash / Crab Apple / etc, or are they too "broad" ?
     
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    I think it would be worth asking approximately how tall a 6/8 or a 10/8 standard would be (that measurement is girth, so different species will be different heights). Could easily be 10-15 feet I think. If so bare rooted in the late Autumn would be an option, the plant would already be "most" of the height you need :)

    http://www.ashridgetrees.co.uk/Himalayan-Birch-Betula-utilis-jacquemontii

    (Bog standard silver birch cheaper, but those Jacquemontii do look the business!)

    Other "small" trees listed here:
    http://www.ashridgetrees.co.uk/Trees-for-Small-Gardens

    (I've bought lots from Ashridge Trees, they have fantastic quality plants. Carriage may be a bit steep if you are only buying a single tree though. They will knock spots off a pot-grown tree from garden centre which will probably only be 6' tall, or so - i.e. several years younger.)

    P.S. Just checked, their delivery is £6.50-ish, so not outrageous - given that a decent sized plant is going to be £50 or more
     
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    Oooh, they do look good! As it happens my neighbour is a landscaper and has trade discount at quite a few places so finding one shouldn't (famous last words?!) be a problem. I have no iea what a 6/8 or 8/10 std is though?

    EDIT: Ahem, I've just read under the description what the terms mean!
     
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    I also just watched their video on tree planting - I wonder where I get a Rodney from lol
     
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    Quite! I think its a very unhelpful measurement. At the least I think it would help if tree nurseries published the Min/Max height you are likely to get - I have no idea what that "girth" relates to in terms of tree-size ...

    .. so I would phone up and ask. You'd think they would get fed up with the calls and would just publish a list of "approximate sizes". Ho!Hum!

    All I can say is that I've been pleasantly surprised how big they were when they arrive. I think I've only "splashed out" on an 8/10 once, and that was very tall, and the 6/8 ones I've bought have seemed pretty tall to me. "pretty tall" is a bit subjective though, I grant you :)
     
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    Peckham !!
     
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    P.P.S. These were 6/8 std's ... to give you an idea of height (if you can guestimate it from surrounding objects?!!)

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    Look a pretty good size to me! Also, if I went for the max size then it may end up too big before the roots are established enough. If you know what I mean Rodders...
     
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    The Head won't developer faster than the Roots can support - so you'll basically find it just sits there doing not-a-lot for the first year or two, whilst the roots get established.

    You do need to stake it properly, so need to spend money on a decent stake (long enough to go into the ground far enough not to wobble, and still be tall enough (chest high?) to tie the tree to. Bang that in before you plant it, so that it won't skewer any roots, or use two stakes, one either side and well clear, attached to the tree with a figure-of-eight tying arrangement.
     
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    I'm don't think it's a Leylandii but an Elwoodii. In which case you won't need to remove it as it doesn't grow too big. The picture isn't really good enough to tell.

    Leylandii tend to have a single main trunk with roughly horizontal branches growing from it - unless it had its main stem cut when young. Even then it would tend to have horizontal branches.

    Elwoodii usually has a number of main stems growing right from ground level and the growth is very upright. It doesn't grow too tall or too wide.

    http://apps.rhs.org.uk/plantselector/plant?plantid=384
     
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