Removing gas fire with open fire

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  1. Loofah

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    Does anyone know EXACTLY what's involved in removing my perfectly acceptable gas fire with a real open coal / log fire? (and how much it might cost!)
    So far I have listed:
    Get Corgi registered person to remove gas fire and cap off supply
    Have chimney person sweep and check integrity of chimney and flue
    Builder type to fit new open fire 'stuff'

    The 'stuff' part is where I'm really coming unstuck and I have no idea about costs.
     
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    You might have to check that the flue is OK for an open fire, I think gas fires need a smaller flue and it might even have a metal gas flue liner fitted and a gas cowl on the chimney pot - those would need changing. There could be other 'stuff' as well, like does a real fire need a bigger room vent? I don't know the answers and you don't want to take any chances, I wonder if one of these Real Fire specialist companies in Yellow Pages would come out for free and give you advice and an idea of costs?
     
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    Funnt you should say that - I have just such a company visiting me next week now!
     
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    A few people around us have fitted woodburners, but in Guildford we are not supposed to burn wood, we are in a smokeless zone and supposed to only use smokeless fuel. I think our council are turning a blind eye to wood burners now, but I imagine if we asked permiission to fit one they would have to say no. I don't know if you are 'allowedl' to burn wood in Woking but it would be another question to ask next week.
     
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    I have to say, if it burns it's likely to go on the fire! Well, maybe not tyres but definitely wood. As long as its seasoned and dry it won't give off too much smoke anyway.
    Think they'll call the smoke police on me? :D
     
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    They might send round Special Branch - :groan
     
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    I fitted a wood burning stove myself, after removing a totally dangerous Calor gas fire. Built the fire surround etc too!. You really do need to get a chimney specialist out to check that (ours was perfectly ok), but the rest was fairly easy for anyone with any good D.I .Y skills. My builder s.i.l was extremely impressed with ours.
    Only other piece of advice is that you should find a source of good HARD wood for burning. Pine logs are not to be recommended. The tar in them very quickly blocks up the chimney. We have just had a trailer load deliverd for £70 for sycamore. This will have to be stored undercover for NEXT year to be dry enough to use so plan well ahead. Also the chap was saying that he is finding it increasingly difficult to match supply and demand. Everyone seems to be going for an old fashioned log fire!
     
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    PS. Forgot to say that the ventilation required for a gas fire is also sufficient for ann open fire.
     
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    Interestingly, I caught a news item on the car radio yesterday - this chap (and many of his friends) had a permit from the Forestry Commission to go scavenge for wood in his local forest. He'd done it for years and found it a very economical resource. But now there are so many people wanting to do it, seems the FC have realised it's "a valuable resource" and won't allow anyone to collect wood anymore. Instead they gather it up and sell it to a vendor! Comes to something when even a few fallen branches and twigs are a vaulable resource!
     
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    :rotfl:
     
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    How do they square this with the old forestry laws, where you may gather dead wood "by hook or by crook". These laws were made by the Norman invaders.

    A word of warning, be careful what wood you buy for open fires. When I worked for the Forestry Commission, my Forester asked me to load his van with logs. I didn't know the difference between the species. Next morning he said "the logs kept me warm all evening, getting up and stamping the sparks out". They were chestnut.
     
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    Apparently they were rescinded many years ago when FC made it necessary for people to buy a license to collect wood on their properties.
     
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    Well I've had the 'expert' round and I'm none the wiser really; he started talking about hot boxes when I was expecting things like flue and basket... so back to the drawing board. Oh, estimate for work was about 750 quid.
    Next company...
     
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    Hi Loofah. I don't know if this helps, but we had a multi-fuel stove fitted in Jan this year at a cost of £2,100. This included everything. The hearth, the flue, everything. It kicks out around 5kw's at full throttle and is very efficient. Cheers...freddy.
     
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    I've no idea what a hot box is either Loofah.
     
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