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  1. miraflores

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    Can't dispute that. The EU has been trying for some time to get glysophate banned. Over past years, countless chemicals have been discovered and produced in an effort to control pests, weeds etc. At the moment glysophate appears to be the only universally used chemical for this purpose. Nicotine, along with DDT and many others have been banned by the EU.

    Strange that the EU's attention hasn't looked at the use of glysophate in food and drink industry. I wonder. Where to next?????
     
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    You can still buy Nicotine, but only to use on yourself, not on insects. If bacon killed bees it would probably have been banned by now, but it's still sold for human consumption Yes, bacon really is killing us
     
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    Ive several litres of nicotine 75mg for ecig mixtures. The TPD changed this but you can still purchase this if you are a business or you have to purchase the lower strength and small batches now.

    I read the article and while it’s vague I wonder how he drenched himself and how often.
    If you abuse your position with many chemicals you are asking for problems.
     
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      Ammonium Sulfamate used to be available as a weed killer. It got banned by the EU because the company refused to test it on dogs as believed low mammal toxicity had been established. It was used near waterways and is suitable for areas where fruit and veg will be grown. (See Wikipedia page for more.)
      So now you can not buy it as a weed killer, but you can buy it readily as a compost accelerant.
       
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        Glyphosate has, for a long time, been thought to be carcinogenic and there have been many non-Monsanto warnings about safe use of chemicals for gardening.

        I'm sure that you are very careful when using any chemicals.

        I'm not decrying the validity of the cause of the cancer but I think the court has made a mistake in awarding so much money. Not because of the possible carelessness of the poor person that has contracted cancer but because it is high enough to make Monsanto fight it to the bitter end.

        We haven't used any chemicals in the garden since we've been here (46 years) - except where we have needed to spray for Viburnum beetle to stop it spreading to the neighbours. This is done close up whilst wearing gloves (and other clothes) and a face mask.

        Re bacon etc. and Nitrates/Nitrites. These have always been thought to have a deleterious effect on health since I was working in the Deli business in the 1950s. I don't eat most of the meats treated with the chemicals but do make, and eat, salt beef. I use Potassium Nitrate, one teaspoon in two gallons of water, when salting and flavouring the beef. Once ready, the beef is boiled for two and a half hours. I'm not sure how dilute that makes everything but I don't eat it all that often - once a month. :noidea:
         
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          Add a bit of sulphur and charcoal and the flavour is explosive...
           
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            Well I've just bought some more Glyphosate, the 1st purchase in over 20 years. Getting it before it is banned!
            That's exactly what I thought. When on holiday in The Florida Keys years ago, the gardener/handy man at the resort was out everyday spraying insecticide, you could smell it in the air. He didn't have a mask on, I went around holding my nose for a while after his daily slaughter of anything that moved!:rolleyespink:.
            Nobody is saying for a minute that Glyphosate is good for you but personally I will continue to use it. The amount I've bought will "see me out":)
             
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              The use and distribution of chemicals needs to be done carefully.

              When we were in Egypt the hotel sprayed/misted the whole of the outside every evening (certainly kept the nasties away) and told everyone not to go out in the grounds between 6 - 7 p.m. If you wanted to leave the hotel during that time it wasn't a problem as the front of the hotel was right by the road.

              The misting was done automatically so no staff were endangered. :blue thumb:

              It wasn't one hotel but a lot of them did it.

              This one was in Luxor
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              This was on the outskirts of Cairo
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                Great, the staff are well aware but the tourists are all misted! Doesn't seem to be a good practice but there you are.
                 
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                  Nope! Everyone was told, personally, when first taken to their room. :thumbsup:

                  I don't recall anyone having said that they got bitten by bugs :) and never saw anyone outside for at least half an hour after the mist had settled. Being on an automatic system the misting was done all at once at 6 p.m., appeared to have dissipated by 6.15 but staff were at the doors to the grounds until 7 p.m. :dbgrtmb:
                   
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                    The U.S. used to spray children with DDT in an attempt to prevent the spread of polio, but was banned as a pesticide because it killed birds.

                    Are we stil allowed to spray our kids with it?

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                      DDT was banned worldwide in 1972, I believe.
                       
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                      That’s my thoughts too.
                      We know it’s not safe if abused just as we now know that traffic in cities and their pollution is having a huge knock on effect.
                      We also know that’s to the likes of Mark Thomas that organic veg does not mean it’s grown in a pure organic environment and that a list of allowed chemicals are used.
                       
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