Serious runner bean question

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  1. Fidgetsmum

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    My Red Rum and White Emergo are fine and cropping well but, on behalf of a colleague, I'm asking if can anyone explain why his (identical plants which I grew and passed on) seem to have produced loads of leaf, but significantly fewer flowers - and thus fewer beans - than mine?

    We're both growing them in the same position as we did last year, both dug in compost before planting and have watered well.

    I've seen his plants and they're certainly strong and healthy but indeed, there's hardly a flower to be seen. The only thing we seem to have done differently is that when his reached the top of the canes he pinched the tops out, whereas I'm lazy and didn't bother, but that shouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

    Could it have been that he didn't use quite enough compost? Would feeding them have made any difference (and if so, with what?) or is it just 'one of those things'? Only I'm feeling really bad, having given him what seem to be 'duff' plants.
     
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    Could be that his have got too much nitrogen, beans fix nitrogen from the air by way of nodules on the roots, so an excess might produce more leaf growth at the expense of flowers.

    Shiney would be the one to ask, he knows his beans:dbgrtmb:
     
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    Sometimes it can be just one of those things (bursts into song :heehee:) but it could be that his compost was not as good as yours. Or, if he spreads bonfire ash on his veg plot he may have put too much where the beans are. The ash helps to build leaves, which is great for cabbages but not so good for beans - although a small amount is good.

    Nipping out the tops would not have a detrimental effect on the production of flower and should enhance it. I wouldn't start feeding them until some of the beans have set (I never bother to feed mine at all but just dig in loads of compost each year). Lots of garden compost is the main thing as far as I'm concerned.

    I've been growing my runners on the same spot for almost 40 years and just dig in lots of the compost and always get a great crop. Currently I'm picking about 5-7lbs per day from about 100 plants that I put out in May. I expect this to increase to 10lb per day. My later planting is just begining to give beans properly.
     
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    Thanks Shiney.

    So far as I'm aware no bonfire ash was used in the growing of these beans so, at the risk of deafening everyone with a duet, I gues it is 'just one of those crazy things' and I'm clearly going to have to grow him more next year, just to prove it!
     
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    You must have greener fingers Fidgetsmum :D
     
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      My beans have really got into the swing of things now :hapfeet:. Yesterday I picked between five and seven pounds (sold 5 lbs and ate a load) and this afternoon I picked 17 lbs. They're all bagged up and ready for selling on Monday. :dbgrtmb:
       
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      Which variety/varieties are you growing Shiney?
       
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      It sounds as if his soil is Nitrogen rich and Potash poor. He should try feeding with a liquid tomato feed.:dbgrtmb:
       
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      Fidgetsmum, I used to grow at least half a dozen varieties but now only grow Polestar. They are a fairly heavy cropping variety, reasonably early flowering, able to withstand hot or wet conditions and all the punters say they love the flavour. :dbgrtmb:
       
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