Sign of the times ?

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  1. Gogs

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    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I'm sure there must be a way around such legislation.

    Could even be as simple as making anyone who purchases the produce sign up to membership of a club or some such organisation.
    Then they wouldn't be selling to the general public.


    Does anybody read those labels anyway :skp:
     
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    :mad: Legislation has gone mad.. Again.... Yet again it is the individual who is being penalised & who suffers.... I don't think they can be expected to just take it to Hospice kitchens & just donate the lot...... That seems a very unfair answer....!!!!!!!!!!!
    :scratch: So how come WI market producers don't have to list all that stuff then..??? :mad:
     
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    The charity 'fundraiser' said "And if you are selling fresh produce, like tomatoes for instance, they must be in refrigerated cabinets." - what utter uninformed rubbish, no-one stores that kind of produce in a fridge, even supermarkets don't.
     
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    If the hospice is happy with the produce, then why don`t they use it, free of charge, in their kitchens? It achieves the same solution.:gnthb:
     
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    That stuff just makes me weep Gogs.
     
  7. ClaraLou

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    Ridiculous. If the government really wishes to make savings in the public sector, I suggest getting rid of all the 'wellbeing' people and their pretend jobs.
     
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    The story is a bit rubbish. If you sell jam then you have the labelling regulations to abide by. But that is not particularly onerous. I am on the committee of my local Country Market stall and we sell jam and the ladies who do it have to do the labels. it is nothing to do with Health and Safety. This is the instructions for labelling for Country Market preserves -
    name of preserve
    if the preserve contains allergins it must be stated close to the name
    producer's name and address
    minimum weight in gms
    word 'ingredients ' must not be used as this would trigger the requirement for full labelling
    That seems fair to me . It is about protecting the public and so they know what they are getting and about traceability if something goes wrong.
    The bit about chilled cabinets has been made up by someone. I sell fresh vegetables through Country Markets. My suspicion is that someone at the charity cannot be arsed with the selling of the stuff and has just trotted out the old elf and safety excuse and the newspaper has fallen for it , cause everyone will believe it, its Europe's fault, bureaucrats etc etc..... I see some on here have been suckered in by the story.
    In my experience, cause we get some who try to use similar excuses is to contact Trading Standards. They are very helpful in my experience. If you genuinely want to provide customers with a good product they will guide you through the sea of treacle that is the Food Standards web site.
     
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    In todays paper the steel toecap bridgade have back tracked and said, it was only meant for commercial not charity shops etc, we'll see.

    :gnthb:
     
  10. geoffhandley

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    "Steel toecap brigade???"
    Where in today's paper?
    It had nothing to do with Health and Safety.
    The FSA do not insist on chilled food cabinets otherwise every greengrocers would be out of business. you need chiiled cabinets if you are selling savouries or dairy and that is a fairly sensible law, otherwise they would go manky.
    You don't need a list of ingredients as they report in the newspaper article. The Country Markets have to abide by the Food Standards agency Regulations and we dont do any of that. So someone has been making a lot of it up for some reason.
    If you ever get a problem like that with someone saying you cannot sell it like that which is what happened to me about eggs. you go to trading Standards and they will put you right. Then you can go to the person who got it wrong and tell them they are talking b*****cks!
    I am not popular with certain people in Country Markets because when we got stupid directives I checked it up and made them look foolish.
     
  11. MartinHp71

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    I really get annoyed when people hide behind Health and Safety legislation. This is nothing at all to do with that. And as JWK says there is no requirement to keep fruit and veg in chilled area's. Does that mean every market trader is out of business. What utter rubbish.

    It even says quite clearly in the article that the FSA said

    The FSA said: “The rules don’t apply to food that isn’t prepared as part of a business. So this means that most food being sold for charity won’t need to be labelled, including food sold at one-off events such as church fetes and school fairs. But if you regularly sell packaged food for charity, for example, jars of jam or boxed cakes, you might have to follow the regulations.”

    This story must have something more to it .. I wonder if a relative of the organisations owners has just won a contract to supply goods ????
     
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    Mind you, my local Sainsburys keeps the ambient temperature around the fruit and vege so low that you can die of exposure just by being slightly torn between 'Basics' and 'Taste the Difference'.
     
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