"The Great Global Warming Swindle"

This feature length programme was aired on C4 on Thursday night. It made compelling viewing.

It included input from the nine top scientists from NASA, the International Arctic Research Centre and Massachusetts Insitute of Technology (MIT). In it they provided evidence that CO2 levels follow global warming not the reverse and that by a factor of 800 years, so this current elevation of CO2 was actually the result of events that occurred in 13th century!

Also that the temperature of the stratosphere, which should be more affected than the planet's surface, is still normal. That the warming is cyclical and finally, and most importantly, the warming that is currently occurring was most likely caused by a combination of sun spot activity and the earth's normal elliptical orbit and nothing actually happening on the planet's surface.

The programme is being repeated on More4 at 10pm on Monday night (and 11pm om More4+1).

I really urge all who have access to More4 to watch it and see what we've all been suckered into.

 

Sounds about right to me MD.
I dont believe a single word about "Global Warming", it stand to sence that nothing we have all done recently is the cause, it has to be a long term effect.
Man is so wrapped up in his own importance, he now thinks he, is responsible/can control, the climate.

Anyway, it does give Gordon Brown chance to raise more money, so it must be a good idea. :D

 

I saw the program. I was a non believer in global warming. I remember the 70's Ice age. I felt safe, coz northern cities were going to be gripped in ice every winter. and I lived south of watford gap. sorry folks nth of the gap, but i was young and gullible. But not anymore. No wools being pulled over my eyes.
I've known for some time that global warming is just a longer name for EVEN MORE TAX.

 

I've never believed in global warming and yes, like you Pete I have always thought climate change has to be due to long term effect. Of course while the government can grab a lot more tax because of it then they will keep on plugging it, and Tony Blair prancing around at various meetings because he has got so many to agree to his views - well there's nothing I can say that is printable!

The next thing that will be a good idea for gathering MORE tax is to save us from this asteroid that is going to wipe us all out when it crashes into earth in about 30 years. If this is going to happen then why are they bothered about global warming :eek:

 

Very good point jjordie.

 

A few more points that were made in the programme

CO2 content - the biggest producer of CO2 is volcanoes. All the world's human population, industry and transportation combined, produces a tiny fraction of the amount of CO2 produced by the volcanoes on earth. Second on the list is the decaying of vegetation! (Natural composting!!!)

The rainforests, it has always been claimed, are the natural 'lungs' of the world and our chopping them down is a direct causation of GW - not so, apparently the oceans are more important and the temp of the oceans is relevant because warmer oceans give off CO2 and cooler oceans absorb it.

Therefore, CO2 levels have an 800 year lag behind global warming because the oceans are so huge, it takes them that long to warm up enough to make the difference.

Therefore, the industrial age can have had nothing to do with all this because the initiation of the current warming was around the 13th century which was the last recorded incidence of sunspot activity!

Watch the programme!

 

I'm going to be out of synch on this. I did not watch the programme, but heard the OU response to some of the points made in it.

For instance, sunspot activity is a part of the modelling that is demonstrating global warming, as is volcanic activity. That one of the tipping points of global warming is the oceans warming and releasing CO2 - and that is already happening.

One of the points he made, linked into the science on global dimming. i.e. that up until the twenty years or so, we have been protected from the rise in temperature, by the pollutants we were pumping out, in particular sulphur. Now we are cleaning up our act, the temperature rise is becoming clearer.

Whether we are contribuing or causing climate change I think there is very little doubt that it is happening. For the UK - unless the gulf stream disappears (its already 30% less), not so very serious, but globally very serious.

As I recall, it was not so many weeks ago that there was an international report subscribed to by most climate scientists, that we are the cause

Check out http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/climateexperiment/

[ 11. March 2007, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: Fran ]

 

I watched a documentary today,with Sir david Attenborough(i think thats how you spell it)"Can we save planet Earth?" and it scared the living daylights out of me.I think if this man says if we keep on the way we`re going,eg`s.the carbon dioxide we pump into the air,10 tons, per car,per yr,the wasted electricity,standby buttons,of which accounts for 10% of what we use,has already caused the ice to melt and so speed up the knock on effect,and by the way we cannot do a thing about this for the next 25 yrs,the oceons levels in the future, could rise up to 7 meters.....well,i for one believe him.

 

What frightens me more, is that if we can affect or slow down the predicted climate change, the window of opportunity is very small. 10-15 years. After that it becomes irreversible as various tipping points kick in. From the sea releasing CO2 to the natural destruction (already starting)of the amazon rain forest. Global action in that time period - I don't think so. What a legacy for our kids - we had the opportunity, and didn't take it. Mind isn't it so much easier to believe that we can have no effect.

And if you want a real catch 22 situation, take the time to read this transcipt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml

 

That was the point of the programme - those scientist were equally convinced that what we are experiencing is normal for this planet and will eventually swing back to the other extreme. They say that the global warming issue has been pumped out of all proportion by the West to control other areas like forbidding Africa to use the coal and oil it has, in effect, telling the impoverished Africans that they can't have electricity.

Watch the programme.

 

jjordie on your point about asteroids at about 1.00am on 11th march an asteroid 10m in dia missed us by 0.5 lunar distance and one 5m in dia is due to miss us by 0.7 lunar distance on the 13th so don't worry mate i'm keeping tabs on them for you