Thinking of a veggie border

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    I have a border, currently planted up with annuals (there are a few perennials in there, but they can either be moved or ditched, as some of them aren't much cop) that I am thinking might be ideal to be made to 'work' for us.

    Its a border that is alongside the back lawn, but on the side where it really can't be seen unless you walk up to it - so if you were sitting on the patio or at the French doors, you wouldn't really see what was growing in it - - and with a bit of companion planting, I think it would look just fine.

    It is 18ft long by 3ft wide (could be widened a wee bit, but I wouldn't want to go too far), but has two disadvantages - it has a buddliea davidii tree right in the middle of its length, and its on the shadier side of the garden (reasonable amount of light, but never full sun)

    I am thinking of stuff like parsnips, cauliflowers and sprouts maybe, but I am open to suggestions - so, are there any veggies that would be happy growing in these conditions?
     
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    Hmmmmmm, I take it that this isn't the best of ideas then?
     
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    Wotcha FC,

    Can't think of much that likes no sun at all, Strawberries & Rasberries were woodland plants but most veg likes a bit of sun. When I lived in a valley in Wales the garden only got sun in the middle of the day. Took 2 years for the Broccoli to sprout. Onions did ok though.
     
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      Ah, so my idea of sprouts and parsnips are a non starter for there then. Back to the drawing board.......
       
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      Parsnips might be alright, grew some decent ones in the shade of the Ash tree last year. Don't know about Sprouts, never grown em.

      Give a few decorative things a go & make a note on how they do. You could try Ruby Chard & there are lots of varieties of Kale that have attractive leaves.

      I had intended to do an edible border this year, but things conspired against me.
       
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        You could grow a bucket of mint; rhubarb too. Yes, I know they're not vegetables, but a nice dollop of homemade mint sauce with your Sunday roast followed by a rhubarb crumble isn't to be sniffed at.

        On that note (ok, still not veg) quince, rosemary? :dunno:
         
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        I've got mint growing in a big pot on that side of the garden already, although its not really come to much this year. We're not fans of rhubarb at all in this house, so it would never get eaten - rosemary is a good one though, that would get used.

        At the moment, the border has pansies, coleus, hollyhocks (only a couple of old ropey ones) and petunias and everything seems to have done reasonably well, albeit a little slower than the ones in the full sun.

        I did wonder about some of the more decorative cabbages, but wasn't sure how they would fare in the shady conditions.
         
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        Butterflys will still find em.
         
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          Not if the slugs get em first :biggrin:
           
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            Perfect. 4' wide is the absolutely max for a "raised bed" as you can reach the middle from either side and thus can adopt a never-walk-on-it strategy.

            They root easily from cuttings, once you've done that you can chop the original down :)

            I reckon that is a killer. "Full sun for part of the day" would be fine, but "never" is not growing to grow veg I reckon.

            Veg. can look attractive though, so if you want veg you could consider the main part of the garden for it?
             
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            There is no way that Mrs C would tolerate me putting veg on the sunny side of the garden - bless her, she has been tolerant enough to the idea of me having growbags and tomatoes on the sunny side of the patio.

            Although an old photograph, here is a rough idea of what I would like:

            Veg bed 1.jpg

            The area on the left marked with the white arrow is the bed that I am referring to, a closer picture of which is here (again, this is a photo from earlier in the year):

            Veg bed 2.jpg Veg bed 2.jpg

            This shows quite well the line of shade that is caused by the fence, and to be honest even once the tree is trimmed, I reckon the best that this area will get is a couple of hours very early morning.

            I was having a poke about on Google this morning and came across a site (forgot to bookmark) which suggested that parsnips, beets and salad stuff would do OK in shade, but I'd rather go by the advice from you all on here; if there is nothing edible that will perform here, then it will have to remain floral I think.
             
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            French beans?
             
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              We don't eat a lot of them - but then, we don't grow 'em at the moment.
               
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              How much is the grassy area used? I looks to me that the whole garden is devoted to space with minimal borders around it.

              My thinking is there is a lot of it there, as there is patio too. So a bed could be made from the grassy area for your veggies or a raised bed could be made on the patio area.

              Those flagstones are 18 inches square so removing a rectangle 2 x 12 flags would give a bed 3ft x 18ft....or if Mrs FC does not like that then suggest a similar sized bed from the grassy area in full sun!

              You could fit a bed in across the patio where it meets the lawn, 8 x 2 flags from the fence on the right, giving a bed 3ft by 12ft, and still allowing a good sized entrance to the grassy area (2 flags = 3ft), and thats exactly where your entrance to the grass in anyway. Or you could have a longer bed along the fence on the right hand side, or use some of the grassy area if it is little used.

              But the space to do it is definately there (and lots of it), you just have to find the happy medium of where if the space is not currently used.

              Steve...:)
               
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              Yeah FC, stop messin' around, and get them flags up!;):biggrin:
               
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