This is were we are going wrong

Yesterday i had a call to give a price for grubbing out a hedge set light to by vandals and replacing with a fence, insurance to pay.

Anyway I duly turned up, the hedge was literally 3' from the edge of the house and it was simply a miracle of the fact it was a windless day and the fact that the neighbor saw flames that the house didn't go up..... the family were asleep at the time and weren't aware of the fire until the fire brigade arrived.


Whilst i was measuring up a policeman arrived and proceeded to tell the couple that despite the fact that there were witnesses and that four youths had been arrested they had been let off without charge..... The jumped up git then went on to say that in his opinion the fact that there was cut waste stacked by the hedge made it irresistible for teenagers to set light too and if he was one he might have been tempted.

Absolutely disgusting, a good job I was only quoting not involved or Id have been arrested for thumping the idiot. No wonder the country is going down hill.

Meanwhile our insurance premiums go up.

Obviously the police on the welsh side are equally incompetent to those on the English side.

 

A complaint to the Chief Constable might have made this idiot of a policeman think differently. Going into a police station and asking to make a complaint about one of their officers makes them sit up and take notice. Advise your clients of this, they might well get a result. It won't change the verdict (such as it was) but it has to go down on record and with the absurd bureaucracy these days, it wil be noted.

 

Good idea, ill sudgest this.

 

Absolutely disgusting, a good job I was only quoting not involved or Id have been arrested for thumping the idiot. No wonder the country is going down hill.

Doesn't even the consideration of hitting an officer be an indication of just that?

 

Not when the officer is a jumped up pillock not fit to wear the uniform who has just insulted a couple with young children who's house could so easily have been burnt down with them inside.

This could easily have been a tragedy , yet this ****** saw fit to not only show the incompetence and indifference of the police service to crimes other than traffic offenses, but to rub salt in the wounds of two very upset and shocked people.

 

It crosses my mind that if this idiot of a policeman was open enough to say that and not check himself, what other strange things does he say, or even think. And he is in authority????
Yep, I'd encourage those folks to write a statement and send it in, requesting a reply.

 

If you're going to make a complaint about the Police, send it to the Chief Constable. (handy if you know his name:wink Send it "Recorded Delivery". Don't bother with the local Police, they'll just fob you off. Expect coppers to suddenly appear in your area checking Road Tax etc. Especially yours.l:D It'll be the first time you've seen a copper for a long time. They wear funny pointed hats, if you've forgotten what one looks like :wink: This is from an ex-copper:wink: If you really want to make your point, send a copy to your M.P. Unless he's made an expense claim for Police Protection.:lollol:

 

To be honest, I actually pitty coppers. We only ever get to hear about the bad coppers, so we understandably think they are generally bad. The copper in question in this topic was clearly an idiot, but it may well be that his lapse in professionalism was more down to frustration than anything else.

I knew a toerag once. I was a witness in one of his crimes. The coppers had been trying to nail him for ages. A young copper, full of enthusiasm came to take a statement from me. She was convinced she had enough for a successful prosecution. All I could think was that she is about to find out that the courts are going to give her a major wake-up call.

When I was at court, in the waiting room where the witnesses hang out, there were two coppers in there waiting for their turn in a different case. I overheard some of their conversation. One of them was trying to do a young lad that had committed armed robbery. He said he suspected that the court will give him community service, then he asked the other copper how his case against a repeat car thief had gone, to which the reply came that the case collapsed because none of the witnesses could be bothered to turn up at court.

I honestly believe that to be a copper in today's bureaucratic do good politically correct society must be the most frustrating job in the world.

 

Coppers certainly ain't what they used to be, I suppose its down to the system, all the ones with common sense have been driven out.

So why are they all police "officers" these days, we dont see "constables" anymore, like on Heartbeat. lol.

The thing with the hedge is pretty normal these days, make the victim the "cause", that way it all seems less of a crime and more of an invitation.
Afterall if you left your windows and doors open and went out for the day, and you got burgled it would be your fault.

Wouldn't it?

 

Let's look at it from a different angle. If you were walking down the street and you saw a house with the door wide open and nobody about, would it then be ok to burgle that house? Most (I suspect and hope) would consider it not ok, because a victim's naivety is no excuse.

Years ago our garage got broke into and my brand new mountain bike, which I'd had for less than week, was among the stuff taken. I was furious with myself because before the incident I'd put a good padlock on the door, but afterwards I realised that even I, someone who doesn't think like a burglar, could have got the door open in less than a couple of minutes without the key.

I think that's part of the problem. If you are not a crook yourself, then you don't think like one, and if you don't think like a crook it is difficult to understand all the little security problems.

 

Yet if you caught a burglar in your house and shot him, it would also be your fault and not his for breaking into your property. All very screwed up!

 

If you shot the burglar and he died, he would almost certainly be premeditated murder. The reason being that firearms laws require keepers to have the gun stored in a lockable container and the ammo in a separate lockable container, in separate rooms (if practical), so you couldn't really argue that you grabbed the first thing that came to hand in self defence (you'd have had to unlock the gun, unlock the ammo, load the gun, aim and fire - in that time you could have fled and called the bobbies).

If you fought off the burglar with a conveniently place, ordinary household object, then you can argue self defence and that you were only trying to fend them off.

There was a case a while ago in the news where some bloke was sat in his car with his window down, and a carjacker came and attacked him with a knife. The car owner wrestled with him and in the scuffle, stabbed the carjacker who then died. The car owner was tried for murder, but was let off without any charge because it was clear he was simply defending himself and the stabbing was accidental.

 

I guess I'm thinking of that Norfolk (?) farmer who shot the burglars when they arrived at his isolated farmhouse with express intent to commit a crime. It's a grey area and I certainly don't condone it. Not sure how I would react though if I came across someone in my house.

 

I caught a bloke trying to break into my shed and I beat him senseless...Our local officer was brilliant and even gave me a gold chain the perp was wearing which fell of as I threw him into a ditch... well away from my property...Respect is two fold. Those who dis' the cops have obviously been on their wrong side or moan for the sake of it!!!!!

 

Not necessarily. There are bad coppers. When I was a kid (12 year old) I got beat up by two coppers when I'd done nothing wrong but they assumed I had. Basically my mate and I were carrying some motorbike bits home from a shop and the coppers decided we must have nicked them. They challenged us and we cooperated. We told the coppers that we had been given the bits (they were scrap bits that he was just going to bin) but of course they refused to believe us. We suggested that they can simply call into the shop which was about 10 metres away and ask the owner but they refused to do so. Realising that they had no case and assuming (incorrectly) that there were no witnesses about, they physically attacked us. My mate ran away and I spent the next few minutes being kicked about the floor in the alley.

So I think it is fair to say that there are some bad coppers, though I agree they are a minority.

Incidentally, I mentioned they were motorbike bits so the obvious conclusion is that my mate and I were toe rags that burned about the neighbourhood illegally. That's not the case. Our bikes were always loaded into a van and taken to private land, before we rode them under supervision.