To propogate very old rose.

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  1. Drahcir

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    This rose has flowered in a garden (not mine) for perhaps 80 years. It has a beautiful yellow flower. It would be very, very good to be able to propogate it.

    It is not doing well at all. It's lived in the NE corner pof a front garden, partially shaded by a tree. Perhaps this will be its last year. There is some new growth, and I'm wondering if there is sufficient to propogate it. I have pot of Clonex (shaken, not stirred, after its Yodel delivery). I have little knowledge. I have never taken rose cuttings, or many other cuttings at all, before.

    Any observations, or advice on propogation? I have a window of time maybe four months long to do this.

    Here are some pictures of the new growth that there is.
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      Yes you can take cuttings, here's a few videos on it. I've followed him and I've been successful.


       
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      Thanks! I'll look.

      As well as "how", I'm wondering "which bits to cut and when?" and "what is the likelihood of success?".
       
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      I took grafts many years ago just for fun, seem to think it was a certain part of the stem and grafted using raffia to hold it in place. They took easily enough. Getting the right root stock may be a bigger problem. It's not a subject I know about.
       
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      I think they normally bud roses, a form of grafting but you only use one bud.
      I've managed it with apples and citrus plants but not tried roses.
      As @JWK says you will need rootstocks to do that.
      Cuttings are probably the best way in that case.
       
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      I have done it in the past. I just took a number of roughly foot long healthy bits of stem towards the end of summer and pushed them into the ground, where it didn't get waterlogged and left them until May when I dug up the ones with shoots on. In fact just like gooseberry and red and blackcurrant cuttings.
      Might have more success with this method though; take a pot say 9 to 12 in across, threequarters fill with a gritty compost take your lengths of rose stem push them in, water well, fasten a plastic bag over the top and stick it some where shady out of the way of cold winds and the worst weather and forget until spring at which point should be growth on some then have a look and pot on as required.
       
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        The videos will tell you what to cut. Usually roses are grafted but they still come out the same.
         
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        I do what @NigelJ does and it works every time ...no fussing required, simple. Pot and plastic bag, shielded and left to do it's own thing :biggrin: :dbgrtmb:

        I took loads from my parents garden before we closed up and sold the property after they passed away. Happy to report all have done well and bloomed this year.:yes:
         
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          I haven't got very much material to use. That's one problem. All there is is in the pictures (there are other roses each side too), and if I cut that all off I think the rose will die, so I want to make sure of the job. There are four I think stems coming up off a right-to-left almost horizontal stem (pics 1, 3, 4); there's one nearly sticking straight up (pic 2), and one right at the base of the rose (pic 5) which may or may not be from the yellow rose if it was not a grafted one itself all those years ago; if it was it could be from the rootstock.

          That's all the material there is. There are no other parts growing well at all.
           
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            You can only either take a chance on a cutting or maybe cut it back to the little bit that is healthy and hope that it redirects it's strength and energy into growing a stronger, rejuvenated plant...50/50 chance .:fingers crossed:
             
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              Looking at it I just wonder if a decent prune might revitalise it, probably not the best time to do it now though, a bit too late now.
               
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                I've never tried to propagate a rose. I've divided pots of miniature roses on a couple of occasions with some success 7 I've grown one from seed. That now flowers every year & has beautiful butter gold single flowers every year at the end of April beginning of May.
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