Vegetarian, vegan etc

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    What do you call someone who cuts meat out of their diet, but not dairy, eggs or fish?

    I'm thinking of becoming one of them for a while.
     
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    A fish eating Vegetarian... :SUNsmile: A vegan is....
     
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    Pesceatarian and Pechatarian are two terms used.
     
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      To be a vegetarian you should eat no flesh that includes fish. I have been veggie for 35 years, :SUNsmile: come in the waters lovely
       
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      • Phil A

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        A Lacto Pesco Vegetarian, or as I say, "I don't eat land animals."
         
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          Genuine question - if everyone went vegetarian what would happen to all the animals in the food chain? Would most of them become extinct, apart from a few species in zoos? More so if everyone went vegan so that not even dairy products or eggs were required.
           
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          On the most part yes.

          During the last war most of the land was put down to veg. Previously common breeds were sent to the status of rare breed within a few years.

          The only animal that did well was dairy cows, we decided milk was essential to the nation's health.

          Some pigs made it thru in "pig clubs" fattened by collecting the local food waste.
           
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            Good question, and one I've pondered myself many times.

            Most of the animals we farm have been carefully bred to be as efficient as possible at becoming food. Just yesterday in fact I watched a program where they said that a farmer had noticed in his spreadsheet that cows born of mothers with a particular heritage matured 40 days earlier than ones from mothers of pure breeds, so he did his sums, and found that for the same weight of beef he could save several grand in feed.

            I think if everyone became vegetarian (and stuck to it), then for a start all the beef cattle herds would go, as would all the animals that had been bred for food.

            But, and here's where I risk being controversial, would that be a big deal?

            Animals that are not raised for food would still be around. The only thing that would be missing is the animals that had only came into being in the first place because we were going to eat them.

            We also know that from an environmental perspective, our demand for meat is not a good thing. Great areas of very diverse rainforest have been cleared to grow soya beans for animal feed, a cow apparently needs 30 times as much nutrition to as we get back from eating them, and bovine farts make up the largest industrial release of methane gas, a gas 30 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

            None of these things are the reason why I'll be laying off meat for a while. For me its purely a health thing. I've done my body in a bit in recent months, and meat is hard to digest compared to most foods, and chock full of calories to. I need to give my digestive tract a bit of R&R time, and I also want to lose some weight, hence my planned temporary abstinence from meat.
             
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              I don't know. I just wondered what those who didn't eat meat felt about whole species disappearing. And that wasn't meant as a judgement, just genuinely wanted to know.

              I'm not vegetarian but could quite happily do without meat. Not because of any moral reason, just because I'm not that interested in food. My OH does, however, love his steak/roasts/hams etc and has just recently got into fish so I generally just have some of whatever I cook for him. The dogs generally get most of it though:heehee:. I don't like many vegetables though so couldn't really be a vegetarian. Is there such a thing as a potatoarian?
               
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                There are many acres of farmland that would not be considered worthwhile in terms of yield to grow cereal or vegetable crops on. Or, the terrain means that intensive cultivation would have to be done by hand, rather than by machine which reduces the viability of crops. Putting animals for meat on that land is therefore an efficient use of land, justifying its inclusion in the national diet.
                I'm not saying everyone should be stuffing themselves with flesh, 3 meals a day, though. That's just gross.
                I was a ovo-lacto-veggie for some years, I began to include fish in 1985, due to the prevailing culture I was living in, and gradually began to include poultry, and even a little bit of meat, now and again. I just like food too much.
                 
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                  There are two opposing arguments to the problem of methane gas emitted by cattle. Neither of which is practical or viable - but I have fun using the arguments.

                  There is no doubt that the methane emitted by cattle is much more deleterious to our atmosphere than the carbon dioxide emitted by motor vehicles.

                  1. If everyone became vegetarian then the 'meat' animals would not be needed and would become virtually extinct. This would save some of the problems of 'climate change'. Of course, this will never happen and the attempt to do so would fail for a number of practical and economic reasons.

                  2. Conversely, we could once again save the planet by all vegetarians becoming carnivores. The meat production would not be able to keep up with demand and all the cattle would be eaten. Hence, no more animal methane production.

                  In the first argument the danger to the climate would continue for the full generation of the cattle.

                  In the second the danger would cease as soon as we've eaten all the cattle.

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                    I was vegetarian for over 30 years. I still love my veggies but also eat fish and a little meat now. I have to admit that I did love the veggie lifestyle and still eat some of the veggie dishes I used to love so much.
                    However, I have never been one for processed food, even as a child, so I always made sure my diet was healthy whatever my dietary foibles. :)
                     
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                      After not eating meat for many many years, I just couldn't eat any now. The though of eating it actually makes me feel queasy! :)
                       
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                      Apart from accidentally eating a goat in Turkey, the only land animal ive eaten in the past 30 years is a road killed pheasant, which I plucked and cooked myself.

                      Didn't really enjoy it, although I was hungry at the time.
                       
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