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    I have just learned, via an email, that big businesses are going to be granted tax breaks for sponsoring the Olympics. Whilst I understand that the whole idea of sponsorship is to raise money for the cause or event concerned, surely that should come from an advertising budget within the companies concerned, and should in now way entitle them to a reduction in their tax bill?

    For those of you who agree, here is a link to the 38Degrees site where you can read the info from them and sign their petition (they are starting with McDonalds, who lets be honest can afford to pay their taxes better than any of us!)

    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Olympic-Tax-Dodging


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      Are these sponsorships linked to franchises?

      If they're donating money to a charity/worthy cause/whatever with no strings attached, then fair enough (despite my personal views on the likes of McDonalds, etc.), but if that 'donation' is buying franchise rights then that's something else altogether.
       
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      As I understand it, the 'donation' is buying them the right to use the Olympic artwork etc, and to advertise as 'Official Sponsors' of the games.

      I can understand why companies like McDonalds would want to use the advertising opportunity, but to be subsequently allowed a tax break as a result is wrong, surely?
       
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      Iv'e signed FC. If I can't claim a "tax break" for supporting a worthy cause - like Gardeners Corner:thumbsup: then they shouldn't be able to claim for using Olympic Artwork*.
      What on earth is that *anyway???
       
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        Any person or company that wishes to use any of the Olympics logos such as the Olympic rings (including the somewhat dire 2012 thing), has to either have permission from LOCOG or the ODA, and if its in relation to a business or an advertisement they will have to pay for it.

        Would you believe they even have the rights on the phrase 'London 2012'!

        EDIT - its not so much the fact that they have to pay to use the logos or to be classed as a sponsor that bothers me; in fact, that I don't care about. I just don't see why any big company should be allowed a tax break on expenditure which by any other name is advertising.
         
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          Is it just big companies or all companies?

          If its all companies, then I can't see the problem, as it could be seen as a chance to get the finances flowing within companies again, which would stimulate growth and employment.

          If its just big companies, then its an outrage. I hate how the current and previous governments have on one hand bragged about supporting business, then on the other making it totally impossible for small businesses to get any help of any kind.
           
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          It's pretty grim the idea of an American restaurant selling American junk food is "the official restaurant of london 2012". It doesn't really represent the British cuisine in my opinion and yet the opening ceremony and fan fair tells us it's a showcase to show our Britishness.

          Someone like Harry Ramsdams or Spud U Like would have been much better.
           
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          Apparently none of the food franchises for the Olypics are going to be allowed to sell chips as MacD has the rights to it at all the venues. The only exception will be if they are sold with fish, as traditional fish and chips!!
           
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          Tax breaks however are a useful way of generating business investment look at the now struggling British film ind. there used to be tax breaks for anyone whom invested in a film as a result the film ind became a steady employer. Now it's almost dead thanks to that useless idiot Gordon brown
           
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            Now, xris, don't beat about the bush! Just say what you think of him :heehee:
             
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            Poor old Gordy. He was never meant to be at the top. He just wasn't clever enough, and everyone knew it. He was placed at the top by a handful of very intelligent lying worms to take the flak while they retreated into temporary obscurity.
             
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            So if I went to a fish and chips outlet I wouldn't be able to just have chips, I would have to eat fish with it too?

            MacD make silly chips anyway, they are not even chips though are they technically. :th scifD36:
             
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            I don't know for sure, but I would presume that its only going to be big businesses as they are the main ones with the money to invest.

            Fair enough if that is to draw investment into a particular business sector that is a longer term prospect - four weeks of 'who has the biggest muscles' is hardly a long term business sector though is it?

            Maybe the government should offer tax breaks for McDonalds to sponsor the repairs to the M4 or Hammersmith Flyover? That is where long term investment is needed!
             
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            I know its a matter of personal preference and all that, and I don't think I'm a snob, but just thinking about MacDonalds makes me feel slightly nauseous. For real. I think about the 'food' they sell, the tables and chairs that typically don't get cleaned between customers (that was the case last time I was in one years ago). Worse than that now, they have a production line system where you don't even get out of your car. I've seen people using it. They drive to one hatch where they place their order, and then they drive to the next hatch to collect their brown paper bag. All without expending the energy required to even get out of the car.
             
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              I suppose that's the definition of fast food and convenience food combined. I can't pass judgement on MacD food as I've never had it.
               
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