Wine or table grapes?????

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    The house we have moved into has a huge grapevine which is growing nicely but how do I know if the grapes or table or wine???:gnthb:
     
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    Hi, that is a pretty tricky question you are asking there, but the general rule of thumb is wine grapes tend to be smaller, ~(pea to marble sizes usually) have higher acidity and thicker skins, whereas grapes for the table have thinner skins, often are seedless, and are sweeter. Generally most people in this country with vines outside are growing wine grapes.... :wink:
    Its not a matter of quality, its best grapes for the job really.
     
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    Thanks for that so do I wait and see how big they get as at the mo they are tiny. One of the gardening jobs I do has definitely a wine grapevine yet hers looks different to ours!!
     
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    Both types derives from the Vitis Vinifera.
    Table grapes tend to be bigger, with harder skin (makes it easier to preserve),estetically pleasant. The wine grapes presents a different percentage of sugars, acidity and ph, therefore making them more effective for the fermentation.
     
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    If its outside and its a dessert grape its unlikely to ripen.

    I'm not sure but I dont think there are any truly good dessert grape vatieties that ripen well out doors in the UK.
    Most need a longer growing season.
     
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    :thumb: That is why I am erring on the side of a wine grape Pete... I know of none really that are table grapes & ripen here unless they are in glass houses.. So for the moment 710 I think you will have to be content to watch & wait, unless of course you are in contact with the previous owners & they may know what it is called... :wink:
     
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    Another thing to bear in mind is that to grow good dessert grapes you need to be constantly pruning the vine through the summer and thinning the bunches, its not something that just happens by nature.

    Wine grapes are easier but still require some summer pruning to get the best crop.
     
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    I have a wine grape vine Pete, growing around my shed.. I limit that to 1 bunch of grapes to a vine... I always have enough for 1 demijohn, but this year t is looking like 2... Coming round later Pete..? :lollol:
     
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    Yes have been attending to it regularly pruning and thinning!! Thanks for all your advice, I can just assume it is a wine one then.........Mentioning acidity, percentage of sugars and ph means nothing when all I can go on is what they look like :) ...... MANY THANKS AGAIN!!!!!
     
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    :scratch: :D Think you might have to suck it & see then mate....!!!! :lollol: No seriously wine grapes usually have a greyish bloom over them when they are ripe.. The must I think it is called, so get ready with your demijohns, you may be making a heady wine..... :wink::rotfl:
     
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    Yeah see you in 12 months. :D
     
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