Your Suggestions for the Creative Comp Guidelines.

I would like to suggest everything stays the same.

'Creative Art' is too weird and wonderful to be judged against a single source photo corrected or enhanced for emphasis or photographer error.

I would like to see a third competition for 'Creative Art' which can be as unregulated as it likes as long as there are caps on the number of entries, time frame for submission and voting and a winner that gets to choose the following months topic.

That way we are all represented I guess. :D

 

Just seen this new thread so I'll post it here:

This is a forum. That means discussion and an exchange of views. Sending PM's which the rest of us can't read is counter productive to free and healthy debate.

1 No - I am not interested in a Creative Computer Art competition, but if anyone wants one they can arrange it as far as I am concerned. I see no value in one and agree with BM that it would be impossible to judge the merit of pictures from so many different styles. The only rules in the Creative Computer Art gallery are those enforced by the limitations of the software and public decency as is rightly the concern of the Webmaster.

2 A number of people have withdrawn their entries from the Creative Photo comp. They misunderstood the rules. There is so much negativity around now that the second restrictive/creative competition should be abandoned in its present form.

3 The original competition has been over regulated too. We have had black borders only allowed, then changed to single coloured borders, but not multi coloured of frames. Why?

Does it real matter? Does anyone vote for a photograph that they don't like just because it has a border? I have never used frames, borders or enhancements in GC competitions, but if others do - so what?

Come on, folks. This is turning into a petty bureaucracy. I had enough of that at work and I want nothing to do with it now.

Proposal:
A Monthly competion as it always was. No enhancements at all. Normal effective processing allowed. (my original point)

B If you want a creative photography competition, then it should not restrict creativity other than by the bounds of legality and obscenity

In a nutshell - A is unenhanced B is as creative as you want to be with no daft restrictions.

Everyone simply votes for the photos they like best

Simple solution to a problem created by over zealous rule making.

 

HB consider this...

My H2- Oh scooby photo.

Before...



After...



I have removed a plant pot and added snow where there was another car.

Its not creative just better, hence the appeal of a competition which allows post picture processing enhancement?

I think the funkyness of the creative would overshadow the enhanced, making it difficult to judge. Its bad enough with the quality of the existing comp, nevermind the extra dimension of creativity.

I'm not sure what the answer is, and even if we have to compete. But to please all people it seems logical to have 3 competitions. The more pictures the better.

In whatever is decided though, MF is a trooper for taking this on, and needs to be supported not criticised. Feedback is the order of the day and that should be done via PM or start a thread in the members discussion.

 

it was discussed that members of the creative competition could be put in hobbies section were their other creative software is and in that case it wouldnt get so confusing next to the photo competition.
I think it would be a great place to put the creative competition what does anyone else think of this.

 

I shall not express a opinion if i do it gets deleted as the truth hurts ..so i will withdraw from all competitions ..

 

OK

[ 13. February 2007, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: Platanoides ]

 

Speaking as an admin, I am pleased to see that our new mod has some support in here. But it does sadden me that others are not giving her time to settle in and learn the job.

She's only been here two weeks and it seems to me that she's been expected to hit the ground running! Have you never, with the very best of intentions, done something that turned out to be a mistake? If so, then you're a very rare individual

I certainly made my share of mistakes when I was starting (on my other forum) as a mod. But staff and members alike were gracious enough to acknowledge that these jobs take time to learn. And it has to be said that, newbie or experienced, generally it's a pretty thankless task. Doesn't matter what you do or how carefully you do it, you're likely to upset someone. And, don't forget, we do this job voluntarily just to be of service to the membership. I think that calls for a little understanding and patience.

So come on, peeps. Get real. Give a little and be generous.

This is just a forum on the internet, for heavens sake. The way some have been acting, you'd think we were in House of Commons with the fate of the country in our hands!

As for the rules, you speak as if they were imposed in a draconian manner when you are all given the opportunity to suggest and discuss various ideas and to formulate a criteria for the different competitions. And why not? There are people here with wonderfully different artistic tastes who want to do things in different ways. Seems logical we should make it possible for all to exercise their unique talents the way they want without impeding others.

Vive la Differance, I say!

Come on all - lighten up - it's supposed to be FUN!!

[ 13. February 2007, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: michaelmasdaisy ]

 

Yes MD - it is supposed to be fun - that's the point. Sure - I take your point about a new Mod needing time to settle in and learn the job. That works both ways and MF needs to take note of that too. Jumping in with both feet first and telling us what to do rather than seeking ideas and cooperation is not the right way to go about it. Is it?

When it comes to competitions, the honest thing to do is to agree to the rules and enter
OR disagree with the rules and NOT enter.
The more rules you have, the less freedom of expression there is and if you want to be creative - that is a real problem.

I have made my choice and leave others to make theirs.

 

Well, no, it's not. But I said before and since you seem to be bypassing that bit of my post, I'll say it again. MF was given this job without prior experience of modding and began with with great enthusiasm. Unhappily, she didn't yet realise the knife edge she would be required to tread when it comes to these things. Hopefully, I shall help her amend that. But you certainly can't castigate her for her enthusiasm. Give the lass a break and some more time.

Turning on one of your own for such trivial transgressions as this is not a nice thing to do. I am asking you all to be gracious and have bigger hearts.

This will work out - if you are all prepared to give it time.

The question is - will you?

 

No one is turning on anyone. I don't think I have "bypassed" that bit of your post. At least you are admitting that mistakes have been made -that is real progress and I thank you for it.

A few of us are just saying we won't be competing any more because we cannot agree to the new rules. That is the only honest option left to us. Others are annoyed that their posts have been deleted because they spoke their mind.

I have no more to say on this matter. I shall drop in from time to time and stick to the gardening threads of GC.

 

You are so right, WOO! I was very tempted to say something here, but after reading your comment, maybe not...

 

I've not posted any pics in the photo comp lately, main reason being I've not taken any good uns, apart from that I was getting the impression that one or two were "playing around" with their pics and not posting as taken.
Rightly or wrongly I dont agree with that, we want to capture a good pic, playing around afterwards is OK for your own purposes, but not in a comp (my personal oppinion only).
Now some members have been doing all sorts of things with pics and turing them into an art form, and it was headed under "creative computer art" or something similar.
Then we have a creative computer art comp and the same kind of pics seem to be excluded, now did I miss something here, (I know I do quite a lot these days).
Marley has taken on a real job and a half here and she is open to suggestions, (sensible ones), so if you dont like it as it is, tell her about it in a polite manner, and you might get listerned to.
There's always next month to change the rules, I bet they're not written in stone.