Ukraine

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by clanless, Jan 22, 2022.

  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Messages:
    51,159
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Mid Kent
    Ratings:
    +94,130
    Any thoughts on if Putin will still be in charge by this time next year. :biggrin:
     
  2. Clueless 1 v2

    Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2022
    Messages:
    2,038
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,769
    Everyone can see it's a trick. Thankfully the Ukrainians see that too.

    History has demonstrated multiple times that Russia likes to back off when overwhelmed, to lure their enemy to where they want them. Unfortunately the very same history also shows that they don't care about collateral damage. I think it was both WW2 and the Napoleonic war where they retreated east at the start of winter and laid waste to everything behind them.

    Their defensive position on the west bank is very strong. The Ukrainians on the other hand are very exposed. Fortunately the Ukrainians understand this and will not be rushing in too hastily.

    If I was in charge of the Ukrainian side (and thank gods I'm not), I'd be doing a tactical move of my own. It wouldn't involve going into Kherson other than a small group to organise the evacuation of civilians. I'd also be carefully watching the Belarus border, and the black sea.
     
  3. Clueless 1 v2

    Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2022
    Messages:
    2,038
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,769
    Thanks, but no good to me unfortunately. The nearest drop off point is over a hundred miles away.
     
  4. clanless

    clanless Total Gardener

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3,201
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Gentleman of leisure.
    Location:
    North Wales
    Ratings:
    +7,631
    They will make up and deliver a box for a £15 donation - using their web site - so don't be put off.

    I live not far away from their base - but find it easier to donate on-line - job done in a couple of minutes.

    I'm going to be the first to say it - MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE :smile:
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • pete

      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

      Joined:
      Jan 9, 2005
      Messages:
      51,159
      Gender:
      Male
      Occupation:
      Retired
      Location:
      Mid Kent
      Ratings:
      +94,130
      I don't see Russia falling back across the river as a trap, I see it more of a sensible thing to do, bearing in mind they have been going backwards for the last 2 months or more.

      Create a stalemate situation and hope to eventually claim all the territory east of the river as Russia.
       
    • Clueless 1 v2

      Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

      Joined:
      Jun 26, 2022
      Messages:
      2,038
      Gender:
      Male
      Ratings:
      +2,769
      Exactly, sensible for the Russians.

      There is little doubt that the Russians will be bomb the hell out of Kherson, but not before the Ukrainian forces occupy it en masse.

      It's very tricky for Ukraine from here. If they had a credible navy they could hit the Russians on the east bank from the sea, but Russia knows that, and if Ukraine sends it's feeble navy that way they'll be sunk in an instant. I'm not sure what capabilities Ukraine has, but it it's possible, if I was in charge (and I'm very glad I'm not) I'd be looking for a way to hit the Russians from behind rather than walking straight through the front door.
       
    • Clueless 1 v2

      Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

      Joined:
      Jun 26, 2022
      Messages:
      2,038
      Gender:
      Male
      Ratings:
      +2,769
      Just in case there was ever any doubt, the Russian leadership is made up of spineless weasels. Here's my logic.

      When Russian forces retreated from Kherson, apparently Putin didn't appear on TV.

      At the G20, Putin clearly couldn't face other world leaders. He sent Sergei Lavrov instead.

      Sergei Lavrov leaves the G20 summit. Minutes later news breaks of missile strikes all over Ukraine.

      So, Putin is too spineless to face anyone. Lavrov is too spineless to face anyone knowing that Russia has launched new missile strikes. The Russian military is too spineless to face anyone, choosing instead to retreat and bomb civilian buildings from a safe distance.

      Meanwhile, faced with power cuts, no running water, no heating, and constant attacks, the Ukrainians don't give up. The longer this goes on, the more pathetic Russia looks.

      Mind you, if I was Putin or one of his cronies, I'd be getting scared by now. He seems to be faced with an enemy that instead of being subdued, becomes more and more determined the more he tries to stop them. It can't possibly have escaped him that if the missiles keep coming, the Ukrainians may well decide it's best to neutralise the threat across the border.
       
    • pete

      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

      Joined:
      Jan 9, 2005
      Messages:
      51,159
      Gender:
      Male
      Occupation:
      Retired
      Location:
      Mid Kent
      Ratings:
      +94,130
      Russian missile hits Poland.
      Probably a mistake, but it could be a big escalation.
       
    • Clueless 1 v2

      Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

      Joined:
      Jun 26, 2022
      Messages:
      2,038
      Gender:
      Male
      Ratings:
      +2,769
      Nothing will happen. Some politicians will just ask Putin nicely if he wouldn't mind quieting down a bit. Like earlier today, when our esteemed leader, Rishi Sumak asked Sergei Lavrov to 'get out of Ukraine'. Strong words.
       
      • Like Like x 1
      • pete

        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

        Joined:
        Jan 9, 2005
        Messages:
        51,159
        Gender:
        Male
        Occupation:
        Retired
        Location:
        Mid Kent
        Ratings:
        +94,130
        I think if Poland gets an apology it might die down, but if not things could get sticky.
         
      • Clueless 1 v2

        Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

        Joined:
        Jun 26, 2022
        Messages:
        2,038
        Gender:
        Male
        Ratings:
        +2,769
        The diplomatic back pedalling has already started. Apparently it was an unnamed US intelligence officer that told someone who then told someone else that it was a Russian missile that hit Poland. The Polish stance is they don't know yet what caused an explosion.
         
      • Loofah

        Loofah Admin Staff Member

        Joined:
        Feb 20, 2008
        Messages:
        13,974
        Gender:
        Male
        Location:
        Guildford
        Ratings:
        +24,456
        Better to blame an unnamed spook than escalate the war into NATO
        Putin is relying on a cold winter to beat Ukraine rather than any skill. One thing the Russians are brilliant at is surviving brutal cold weather
         
        • Agree Agree x 1
        • pete

          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

          Joined:
          Jan 9, 2005
          Messages:
          51,159
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Retired
          Location:
          Mid Kent
          Ratings:
          +94,130
          Well I heard it killed 2 people.
           
        • Clueless 1 v2

          Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

          Joined:
          Jun 26, 2022
          Messages:
          2,038
          Gender:
          Male
          Ratings:
          +2,769
          It seems everyone except Rishi Sunak is saying Russia didn't attack Poland, and that it was Ukrainian air defence that caused a missile to land in Poland unintentionally.

          Even the American stance is that it was unintentional.
           
        • Jocko

          Jocko Guided by my better half.

          Joined:
          Jan 2, 2022
          Messages:
          2,417
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Retired engineer. Now Vice CEO of the garden.
          Location:
          Danderhall on southern edge of Edinburgh. Zone 8a.
          Ratings:
          +6,782
          Biden was saying it was a Ukrainian air defence missile before the dust had settled back into the crater. If Russia does do something that affects a NATO country I believe the US will say, "Sorry, nothing to do with us.". However, if Russia does something to a US entity they will want NATO piling in to help them, and damn the consequences.
           
          • Agree Agree x 1
          Loading...
          Similar Threads - Ukraine
          1. redstar
            Replies:
            6
            Views:
            1,218

          Share This Page

          1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
            By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
            Dismiss Notice