2016 Budget

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  1. wiseowl

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    Good morning I typed a very long post out and then lost it(the post that is):heehee: so has a great believer in fate I decided not to rewrite and post it,as it was obviously not meant to be,have a lovely, Sunday everyone:smile:
     
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      As we're already off topic (it normally doesn't take this long to go off topic :heehee:) we have just told our milkman that we no longer need his services.

      We've been happy to pay the higher price for delivery even though the delivery stopped being to the door and became a delivery to a bucket at the top of the driveway - 100ft away (not too far - except when it's peeing down).

      Our old milkman (he retired at the age of 84) always brought the milk to the door but his replacement told everyone it was against 'Elf & Safety regulations to walk down people's paths! Our postman had a good laugh at that. :)

      We finally got fed up with paying 91p a pint for not always getting the milk on days we asked for it, having milk delivered whilst on holiday (after him being told not to deliver), having the latch ripped off the milk bucket because he couldn't work out how to open it :doh: etc. etc.

      I'm now buying milk in our village shop at £1.05 for four pints.

      I don't feel bad about it as I was never convinced that the milk was local anyway.
       
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        I blame the postman! :)
         
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          Only if they can find any jobs! :sad:
           
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            Some of you know that I work with, and help, disabled people so I'm not one to defend IDS, but I can think up reasons why he resigned.

            He may, or may not, have disagreed in Cabinet with the PM/Chancellor and jumped before being pushed.

            He may genuinely have thought it was 'a step too far'.

            Some ministers have been saying that the Cabinet, which included him, had agreed to the changes so they can't understand why he resigned, but we may not be getting the full story (do we ever :rolleyespink:).

            He may have disagreed but was outvoted - that is still agreement when part of a committee.

            He could have resigned before the budget but, then, his publicity of his disagreement would have had a lesser impact. As it is, there is a temporary halt to the situation which wouldn't have occurred if he had resigned before the announcement. Whether that is just a temporary halt or it becomes permanent is anybody's guess. :noidea:

            So whatever his motive, or whatever you think of him, it has done a little bit of good.
             
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              Yes it has done a little bit of good for IDS . I think his reasons go quite a bit further than a budget he had agreed too ( allegedly ). The resignation was too score points for another camp he is in . IDS is not a man I could trust.
               
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                I agree. My thoughts on the education system are well known on this forum so back on topic once again we see a budget that does nothing to address the appalling way that they are being let down. The sugar tax should have gone to recruiting better teaching stock (we have made thousands of highly skilled people redundant in the armed forces) instead of the silly "initiatives" it is heading towards.

                Because you still haven't finished paying off what their education and healthcare cost? Only a few cents in every dollar of tax paid goes towards those cost. Just a thought.

                As above, just a minute percentage in every tax pound goes towards that.
                To clarify my thinking, children are not a statutory necessity but a lifestyle choice. Some people want a large family, others want none. So on the face of it it would be fairer for those who chose to have no children to pay less tax but in the long run we all benefit from the ongoing success of society as we get older. Similarly it is fairer on the face of it for those who chose to have children to pay more tax for longer (after the kids are grown up) to repay the state for its investment in their choice. In reality though the cost of working out a fair percentage, the administration and being sure of its fairness is not viable so that is why it is better just to balance it out across all tax payers.

                I know that one only too well!
                 
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                  Good morning all my friends:smile:

                  "George Iain Duncan Smith"

                  First elected as an MP for Chingford,he was in the Scots Guards from 1971 to 1981,

                  Born in Edinburgh 1954,he was the leader of the Conservative party (2001-2003)he won the leadership election mostly due to the support of his ally "Margaret Thatcher for his Eurosceptic beliefs, in 2003 MP's passed a vote of no confidence in him and he immediately resigned ,he then formed the centre right for social justice(a think tank) :smile:
                  His CV stated that he had attended the Universita di Perugia. This was not true: instead he had been to a language school in Perugia, and had not received any qualifications. Duncan Smith is a Perugia man in precisely the same way that grifting Gatsby was "an Oxford man".;)
                   
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                    This is a rarity - I'm just about to defend a Tory. Make the most of it whilst you can :heehee:

                    I've just watched the Andrew Marr show and IDS not only convinced me of the sincerity of his resignation but he also rose above the mud slinging that has emerged from within government. The thrust of his argument is that the main priority is the reduction of the deficit despite the cost to the disadvantaged and that overall tax policy is geared towards core voters.

                    From a personal point of view I can only delight in the (mortal?) wounds inflicted on the chancellors ambitions.
                     
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                      This deficit thing is like an obsession, and has got totally out of control in my opinion.
                       
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                        That's true, but if we invest in them properly, they will be the ones that create the jobs. It's a punt we have to take. I saw a documentary a while ago about Japan, where their super efficient work ethic that built their economy has had an unintended effect. People are breeding less, so they are becoming a top heavy population. Then the ever diminishing youth they do have are leaving Japan, because the pressure is too much and they know they can do well for less pressure elsewhere. Now they have a ticking time bomb of a problem, because they've made mistakes with their approach to investment in kids. Perhaps we are doing better, perhaps not, but as Japan saw until it's problem started to emerge, a solid investment in the youth builds a solid economy in the future.
                         
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                          I have a deficit. Due to a combination of the deficit, and interest I will accrue, I will be paying it for about 20 more years yet under my normal plan.

                          Or, I could severely cut the amount I spend on food, heating, entertainment for my family, and focus all my efforts on paying my mortgage off in 5 years. I'm sure my kids will still want to know me when they grow up, if their memories of childhood were of a dad that gave them absolutely nothing, made them live in a cold dark house, eating stale bread for every meal.

                          That's how I see the whole deficit thing. It's silly that they are obsessing over it.
                           
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                            I have thought about this too @clanless , but only because of ill health. I admire those who work past retirement, but only if they enjoy their work.
                            I certainly don't want to die whilst in full time employment. When you have a serious health concern, it makes you reassess. My plan is to go part-time (3 day), by the age of 55 , once one of my mortgages is paid up (providing I can manage to keep going) . I won't be better off finiancially, but I will have more money than working full time, if that makes sense. I can also pay off my other mortgage if I use some of my pension pot (if needs be). Is using the pension pot a good idea? (unsure), because I could then change my job, which I find very stressful.
                            For info: No kids that I know of, and worked 33 years to date (full state pension due to 35 yrs contributions). Not that it's relevant :)
                            @Beckie76 . Fancy getting stoned tonight? Less people about on a Sunday :heehee:

                            EDIT: I was on the A5 :)
                             
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                              Well Mr Kandy is due to retire for good in around 30 odd working days (not counting weekends:snorky:) and we are both so looking forward to it to us both having worked a blxxdy long time with no time off for good behaviour:snork:

                              The problem is that many of our friends are saying that we shall both be bored,he will be getting under my feet and the average age of people dying after retirement is two years:yikes:

                              Wherever do people get their ideas from I do not know but I have assured them that we are looking forward to spending more quality time together to do all the things we haven't been able to do due to work commitments (Have already started making a list of jobs that need doing that have been neglected:snorky:) Mr Kandy won't be getting under my feet as he will be to busy doing the above list of tasks and when he is finished them I will give him another list:pathd:

                              As for dying within two years we are not banking on popping our clogs any time soon if we can help it cough,cough..:snorky:

                              I did say to one of my friends that I am going to be like them sitting on the settee watching Judge Rinder every day with a glass of Prosecco in one hand and a big bar of choccky in the other hand.Failing that I shall be on the :coffee: all day long just like they are:hapfeet:

                              Also might be having a few breakfasts,lunches and evening meals out like they all seem to do in my village:snork:

                              End of Sermon for today:old:
                               
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                                It sounds like you have a plan @Kandy :)
                                I think it is very important to keep active when you retire. I am not sure of the 2 year thing that you mention, but it is definitely something that you hear a lot. I am not sure that I would stay particularly active, but I will certainly try :blue thumb:. Still a long way off for me though.
                                It is good to hear that you are ok, despite your cough :biggrin:.
                                 
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