After Brexit - am I stupid or what?

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  1. Jiffy

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    Not here, no police, but i bet if some one grass's they'll be out and arrest me :biggrin:
     
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      Because it was never thought that it would be used to put pressure on the UK. We already comply with the EU food standards - so surely we are guaranteed to be put onto the approved suppliers list? Well, the EU have come up with a different interpretation - apparently they reckon we won't be in compliance with the EU food standards come midnight on the 31st December 2020. Anyone with a modicum of common sense can immediately see that the EU have not entered these negotiations in good faith - they have forced our hand to protect the UK internal market.

      The EU are trying every conceivable trick to try and punish the UK - Domino Cummings is too sharp for them.
       
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      • pete

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        Well I can kind of see we will be following EU food standards, but only up until 31 December, after that we can change our food standards.

        Do you mean none of those clever people we have, who go over everything with a fine tooth comb, didn't see this coming.
         
      • ARMANDII

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        We could, pete, but neither the Government or UK Business sees the need to do that as the argument is, all along, why not keep the same rules/standards as it works now with exports and imports to and from the EU. There's no line of thought in changing standards except from the EU trying to make things harder to get a good deal for the UK.

        Yes, of course, they did, pete, but you have to deal with one situation at a time and when the EU decides to present such threats and actions to the negotiating Team. If the Internal Trading Bill had been presented to Parliament earlier everyone, including the UK Public, would be criticising them and been up in arms about the UK Government acting before the EU issued the threats.
        They can also foresee further threats being issued by the EU but can't show their hand until those predicted threats are issued. What you're seeing is the EU showing it's true nature by wanting to crush any opposition from any member of the EU what it would try to do should any other country want to leave. Some of the predicted threats are those that....
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        and would do great injury to the more powerful members, business wise, than the UK, and disagreement among those members with the EU could, possibly, see even more fracturing of the EU stability. The EU will change the rules even more as the deadline approaches but, as a Sovereign Country, we can take legislation action to counter that to some degree. With the EU it's all about Power but with France, Germany, Holland, etc their priority is, and has to be, their
        economy, health of their Businesses and Money....and that works against the EU and it's desire, even now, to create a Federal State.
         
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          I'm keeping an eye on how my MP votes - so far he has voted in support of Boris. He unseated a long standing Labour MP - so he had better behave himself.
           
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          • ARMANDII

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            He's probably among the 77 Conservative MP's that voted for the Bill, clanless, despite the Media trying to infer that there was a lot of rebellion inside the Party. What opposition there was was mostly the old Establishment anti BREXIT leftovers in the Commons and the House of Lords.
             
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              The Parliament web site is fuill of useful info. about MP's and how they have voted. This is how I found out that my former MP was constantly blocking Brexit.

              Isn't it ironic that all those MP's who voted against Teresa's deal (which gave Brussels far too much say in our affairs) are to some extent responsible for a probable no deal Brexit. I heard that a former Labour MP is now kicking herself for not voting for Teresa's deal.

              Funny how things always work out in the end.
               
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                Well, we're not at the end yet, clanless. There will be some less publicised, but interesting. legislation after the 31st December that will help disentangle the UK from EU legislation that was incorporated into it's legal system.
                 
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                Gina Miller should be made a Dame I reckon - services to getting the UK in achieving a hard Brexit :heehee:
                 
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                  BBC bias strikes again....

                   
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                    Well, if he had been a Prime Minister of any consequence he would be worth listening to, but like Major and Blair, he's part of the old Establishment that was almost cleared out when Boris moved in. Most of them are sitting in the Gravy Train of the House of Lords or have sought to put themselves forwards as people who's opinion should be listened and charging for it.:doh:
                     
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                    Fair comment, however the BBC presented that piece yesterday as him being one of four ex-PM's who were against the Internal Markets bill..... not quite the case going by the full clip though is it?
                     
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                      Pehaps not, FC, but again he misjudged the situation by giving way to the pressure to have a BREXIT Referendum thinking it would end in a final "NO" to leaving the EU which make him a Hero to the Establishment and then resigned when he realised his mistake so that he could join Major to watch Cricket.
                       
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                      I feel anyone who has held the office of PM should always be listened to on such issues. They have a remarkable first-hand experience and knowledge having been in unique proximity to global power and working with bodies like the EU at the most intimate levels. They know the territory and we should always bear this in mind. Blair in particular as he was PM for a decade. Even if you loathed and detested every millisecond of his time in office and think he was the worst PM in living memory, the fact remains his knowledge of the intricacies of global politics cannot be anything but considerable.
                       
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                        I personally think Gina Miller is a hero - she sought to ensure that the UK's elected, democratically accountable Parliament had the final say on any decision to exit the EU. Parliament is sovereign, the referendum was advisory and responsibility for constitutional change should ultimately fall on the shoulders of our elected representatives. That's my understanding of a representative Parliamentary democracy.
                         
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