all free for the guy, no question asked....!!! ---my opinion---

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  1. Val..

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    I'm not sure that people generally could be bothered to write a letter even if indeed it would have much more impact. just clicking agree or not agree is easier. There are far too many petitions now because it is easy online to just add to them, Why do I get the feeling that most of them probably end up in the bin!! :dunno:
     
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    Aren't they already helping out? My reading of it was that they have agreed to pay £451 a week and that they will also help to make arrangements for him to make deferred payments so that he doesn't have to sell his home.

    I agree he deserves the right level of care but whenever public money is being spent, a public body also has a duty to ensure that there are criteria, otherwise we might all decide the council should be putting us up in hotels because we find them more comfortable than care homes; we may prefer to send our children to Eton or Harrow at public expense... how and where could lines be drawn?

    It also said in the article that this case has already gone to the ombudsman who found in favour of the council.
     
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      I absolutely agree Val which is why I prefer to bother to write a letter when I feel strongly about something.
       
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        :heehee:

        As time goes on there will obviously be less/if any, cases such as this, in a way I feel that we are already indebted to this man so perhaps for cases such as these we could now 'repay' the debt by backing off and leaving him be. The same could apply to any other remaining ex servicemen.
         
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        But Val there will always be servicemen and ladies who will need public support. There are service personnel who have returned from the Falklands, Iraq, Afganistan etc. Many have been horribly maimed physically and/or mentally. With a infinite pot, we would all want to grant all sevice personnel every comfort for the rest of their days, but as there are finite public funds unfortunately compromises do have to be made, to ensure all get a fair share. I really do hope this gentleman and his family can work together with the council to find a way to ensure the gentleman in question can access care he is happy and comfortable with.
         
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          Help for Heroes has now launched a fundraising page for him.[​IMG]

          As they're only looking for £5,000 (by my calculation that won't go far as the cost is >£500 per week) they should reach the target very quickly. The latest claim is that more than 150,000 people have signed the petition so that's less than 50p each.
           
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            I was actually referring to cases such as the gentleman in question but I would support them all, they all deserve it, the very least we should do, I think we should send less aid abroad and take care of these people some of them have terrible PTSD.
             
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            I do hope that isn't what you thought I was doing @Charlie996 because that wasn't my intention at all :oops:
             
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              I'm Sorry but I am disgusted at how we treat certain members of society I'm not just in support of ex servicemen though they have my utmost respect and admiration.

              I accept in certain areas it can be hard to differentiate this is not one of them.

              Because the son runs an executive coach company does not mean he is rolling in money. He may or not but that is in cases like this irrelevant. If he chooses to treat his dad with contempt then shame on him but I bet this is not the case and is sheer speculation which is what this whole scenario has turned into.

              I am NOT against this country sending money to parts of the world that are in desperate need. Far from it !

              What really hacks me off is when these people in our country are left with stark decisions or are pushed no matter how gently into situations like this.

              Sadly those in authority and who make decisions of magnitude seem to have very little or no common sense !
               
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              Perhaps, (although, having seen the fees charged by executive coaches, it isn't peanuts!) but one thing will be certain, he won't be on benefits either. And the fact remains, this is his father.
              With respect, I disagree. The fact it is his father is absolutely relevant. He has a moral duty of care for him whether he likes it or not.
               
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              I agree with you "M" but not all relatives feel this moral duty, my 2 sisters abandoned my Mum because they felt she was "difficult"!!! without me and my hubby she would have had nobody.
              I have not spoken to them since, as I too feel that you have this moral duty.
               
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                My very close friend who sadly is no longer with us inherited a Luxury coach company when his dad died. Mark (Known as Noddy to us) tried to keep the company going but it failed as it was already in debt when he took over, In effect Nod inherited a debt.. Not all the glistens is gold..
                 
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                  I agree the son if he can should blooming well look after his dad. No question !
                  But we are assuming the son has the same values as it seems we do ? I/We looked after our parents and I think my two will look after us but while the son should IF he can it doesn't follow he will.

                  Speculation often does not bring the answers though ?

                  So we are now going round in circles ? But I will repeat that in my opinion society has a responsibility to look after its own particularly if they are vulnerable and this chap is clearly in that category.

                  I cant bring myself to think anyone should turn their back on this chap and his needs because he has family.
                   
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                  Yes, absolutely agree. :thumbsup:
                   
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                  My 95 year young Father In Law is a World War II veteran and within the next couple of weeks once he has received his letter of being accepted into a care home will possibly see out his finale days not in the home he has lived in for over sixty years but will be in a small room with ensuite and all for the princely sum of between 700+ -£900+ a week(not sue yet until the letter arrives exactly how much a week),which of course means that the little bit of savings he has in the bank to pay for his funeral will be gobbled up quiet quickly.

                  Mr Kandy and his sister now have the task of trying to clear out all his stuff and then try to sell his house which will release more money to pay for his care.

                  It is going to be a big upheaval and we don't know how the move will affect his already fragile health.

                  Perhaps we should set up one of those just giving pages so that hopefully money will flood in so that his house won't have to be sold and then Mr Kandy and his sister will have some sort of inheritance to remember him by,because after all most parents want their children to have something left to them when they pass on to pastures new.

                  It does make me angry though when I read stories about reckless fathers that have sired forty kids with different women or like the couplein the main headlines of the Daily Wail who are spending £10,000 on a holiday abroad where they hope to remarry I think it is and that she gets pregnant( 12 or 13th time) and all paid for by us taxpayers.:mute:
                   
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