Ambassador Farage

Yep, I agree again, pete, but history has proven time and again that people get so desperate that the change that they have voted for has only brought them more turmoil, lowering of quality of Life, and great disappointment in the failed promises, boasts, and lies of those they have put their hopes in to get them out of their present unhappiness.

 

I don't think that people have a global choice, clueless, that gives them any power. The Net is being used to spread extremism, dislike of other cultures and religion, to a far greater extent than before it existed. Yes, it does good in some ways, but look at the way it has allows the dark side of people on social forums to indulge in bile, so the global voice is not as powerful for good as it should be.

It's the first that worries me, as Trump has all the signs of being an Isolationist driving the USA into a period that they were in, politically, after WW1, and the Americans are too good and important to the world for that.

 

“Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers.

“He's an honest politician--he stays bought.”

Pops added,"you know, they say if you don't vote, you get the government you deserve."
"And if you do, you never get the results you expected," (Katherine) replied.”

“Power is okay, and stupidity is usually harmless. Power and stupidity together are dangerous".”

“Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles."

“Elections are highly-publicized puppet shows. Many puppets in the show are handled by the same owner, and regardless of their different costumes and voices, their agenda is one and the same. The man with the most puppets in the show usually wins the audience.”

 

This is getting ridiculous, pete, I'm agreeing with you again!!!!

Well, that became so after WWII when the British Empire recognised it couldn't hold on to control of other countries, we had the Lend Lease Debt around our necks, and we were broke after the War.

True in all aspects, pete. I don't think there is anything in European history that when a country is attacked they've had that crucial immediate support and aid from another country. Europe, particularly Easter Europe, is still subject to the old biases, hatreds, and memories of previous atrocities as it was in the 1920's and 1930's. We now have NATO that comprises of Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Slovenia, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States.
Out of that number only 5 countries are paying the correct dues in defence and they are, United States, United Kingdom, Poland, Greece, Estonia. The rest are lagging behind and yet the main members of the EU are now proposing that the EU has it's own armed forces. As in the past there is no realistic military co-ordination between the European countries, so they would squabble, hesitate, just as they have in the past, and so would be overrun by whoever. So perhaps, Trump's threats about NATO might work in getting members to pay their dues...........but I doubt it.

I meant in the context of Trade agreements in this case, pete. I believe in Free Trade between countries not in the biased "in the Club" trade agreements like the EU where restrictions are part of the price of being in the Club. But, if the USA pulled out of supporting other countries, as they did after WW1, then I think you would see more strife, wars, terrorists attacks on a larger scale than now.