Best Supplier Of Compost 2023

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If You Had A Choice Of Compost Which Of These Are You Likely To Prefer?

  1. 1: 100% peat based compost

    14 vote(s)
    51.9%
  2. 2: peat reduced compost 50/50

    6 vote(s)
    22.2%
  3. 3: peat free

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    25.9%
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  1. shiney

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    After having had some poor results with peat free last year and early this year I'm sticking to peat compost whilst I can. Although I didn't take any photos the peat did much better with germination and potted on plants.
     
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      Have you tried using the peat free when potting on more established plants?

      We are finding in general, the problem with peat free is during germination and poor growth rates when taking cuttings and potting on plug plants. When using peat free with more established plants that have a good root germination and top growth, there is little to no difference between peat free and peat base compost.
       
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        I know you aimed that at @shiney ,but I've been trying it and im finding root development is poor in most of the stuff I've tried.
        Plants seem to stop growing and turn yellow and on checking the roots they appear brown and dead, it's only after feeding and careful watering that the plants start to pick up but you have lost a couple of weeks growth.
        It just doesn't have a good structure to hold water or fertiliser imo.
         
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          I haver had good results except with dwarf french beans, with which only half germinated, the others seemed to have rotted and turned to paste. I wondered whether I had kept them too hot and wet.
           
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          Most of the composts I have bought recently, particularly Westland and B&Q Verve do not hold any water at all, it just immediately runs straight through and adding a soluble feed seems a waste as that runs through as well.
           
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            We rarely pot on more established plants. We do that for our patio annuals but just use peat anyway as it's no more expensive than peat free. After the first potting on most of our plants are ready for going in the garden and the ones that are not for our garden are sold for the buyers to pot on or plant out themselves.

            Unlike professional sellers we don't have to wait for them to look very good. We're selling to gardeners when the plants are young and sell them cheaply (all takings go to charity and the taxman adds another 25% :blue thumb:). They always return the trays and pots ready washed :). Some plants are ordered, especially veggies, but others are whatever we grow from cuttings, roots and seeds and we take them to our clubs where the members buy whatever we take along.

            This week, apart from the orders for veggies, I'm taking a load of Salvia turkestanica, got 100% germination with most doing very well after potting on a week ago. They're in 3" pots and are now about 6" high (grown 2" whilst we have been away for a week :rolleyespink:). They will be potted on or planted by the purchasers.
             
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              Salvia turkestanica was mentioned by Chris Beardshaw on GQT yesterday @shiney probably the reason for all the orders.
               
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                Thanks for the info (I don't watch gardening programmes :noidea:) what did he say about them?

                We started selling them two years ago and the word has spread. Although they seed very easily and also germinate well we have found a lot of people can't be bothered to ask friends for the seeds (the friends that have shown the plants to their friends).
                 
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                He said they were great if you had a shallow depth of topsoil, 30cm or less and that they were very, very drought tolerant, he really recommended them if you have a garden with those types of conditions.
                 
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                  They grow happily anywhere :thumbsup: but are certainly drought tolerant. :)
                   
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                    So, peat free resulted in a 60% germination rate for you.
                    To put that in to context, Fountain Plants are one of the largest brassica growers to the agriculture sector in Europe. They use peat and have a germination rate of 96% and grow 600 million brassica plants. Now imagine if they ended up with a 60% germination rate if they had to go peat free, that could result in 240 million less cabbage's, cauli's etc etc on supermarket shelves.

                    Large growers who are germinating edible crops will probably be excluded from a peat ban in my opinion.
                     
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                      I think you could be wrong on 2/4 counts ! Yes it is wrong and a waste of (peat?) compost
                      Compared with Morrisons at Horndean where the Danish trolley shelves were actually full of water draining by dripping gently into the fertiliser stack!
                       
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                        I have had the Royal Botanic Gardens at Edinburgh on the phone this morning regarding John Innes Compost.
                        We have supplied them for years but they are now going peat free, even though Scotland has not announced a ban of peat yet.
                        They have done their own research and we are not allowed to use coir as a substitute for peat. Their studies have comeback that by using coir, they will be increasing their carbon footprint. Even though JI is 7 parts loam, 3 parts peat and 2 parts sharp sand, substituting peat with coir is minimal. So I have to knock up a mix for them where the peat is substituted with compost bark. The problem is, they want me to knock up one bag of each JI No2 and No3 before they commit to ordering 4 pallets, which is going to be a pain.
                         
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                          Would you have to mix on a large scale anyway? In this instance would you mix a tiny amount and then a larger, or just mix the whole lot on the hope they decided to go ahead with the 4 pallet load?
                           
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                          Any leftovers could be sold cheaply to GC members, :whistle:
                           
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