Box moth

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  1. JWK

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    Had a look this evening and no sign of them. They do seem to suddenly appear in vast numbers though going by past years.

    The tits used to keep them under control but no longer seem to eat them.
     
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    I think they wrap themselves in the leaves which kind of makes them hidden from birds.
     
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      Slapped wrist! Why didn't you spray them with BT as a preventative? It's much less hassle than trying to get rid of them once they've arrived! :nonofinger:
       
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        @noisette47

        I assumed you need to spray when you start to see damage? If you spray before does it get washed off by rain?
         
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          Why in such vast numbers I wonder.. who are their predators? I'm going googling..
           
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          Thank you! It is mostly aquilegia and Welsh poppies in that bit, so I can't take the credit for the planting there. I'm still working that bit of border out, it changes every year. It gets some late afternoon sun and it looks really pretty. :smile: 20230603_161249.jpg
           
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            It is entirely weather dependant, yes, and you need to be vigilant, but if there's a dry spell when the very first signs appear, they can be prevented from getting a hold. Not easy this year, given the constant wet weather, but it's the only really effective weapon against the little blighters.
             
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              We used to get box blight on the green box and so we got rid of them. Many years ago someone told us, can't remember who, that they're not keen on variegated box. So we planted some of those and they have been clear ever since :fingers crossed: :th scifD36:

              They grow much slower than the green box so not necessarily good for hedging.
               
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                I don't think they have any predators, hence the problem.
                 
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                  That's what I used last year pete, it is very effective but expensive. I started trying to pick them off by hand, I found if you shake the box vigorously after a few minutes the caterpillars unmask themselves and hang down in long silk threads, easy to pick off then. But the numbers were too great, one moth can lay hundreds of eggs I guess resulting in a population explosion.
                   
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                    One of our neighbours recommended that @pete . Apparently you do have to reapply it, it's not a "one off" treatment.
                    I think I'm right in saying that it's not officially approved for use in this country, but it does seem to be effective going by the various review sites.
                     
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                    Thanks I will remain vigilant, I have a few sachets left from last year in my armoury
                     
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                      We saw our first box moth last summer, not that we recognised it at first, I looked it up as it as so attractive :rolleyespink:

                      It was only later on that so noticed a bit of damage on our box knot, I’m assuming our crowds of tits and their fledglings ate the caterpillars as I didn’t notice any. Having read this thread, I will have a good look today to see if we have any. I do hope not as we have a knot garden, several box balls and a lovely mature box hedge :love30:
                       
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                        It says three treatments are required due to the moths having three life cycles a year, it's not approved for amateur use, as I understand, but they state it harmess to other insects.
                        Problem is I suppose people spraying other plants and wiping out the butterfly population.
                         
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