Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Freddy, I apologise profusely if you feel that I was talking down to you - it appears that my attempt at humour missed the mark entirely. I hope you will be able to accept my apology.

 

My last words on this, and then I am leaving the discussion as bluntly it is making my blood boil, and there seems to be no logical answers anywhere.

My belief is that this whole mess has been handled in such a way that the intention of our government and the EU was to make such a hash of it, whilst publicly making the most of declaring all the potential negatives without mentioning the potential positives, to ensure that we end up in a situation where another vote appears to be the only logical answer, and to shred people's brains enough to ensure that they vote to stay in the EU in the event of that second vote.

I have long been of the mind that the political system in this country is utterly knackered, and wholly non-representative of the wishes of ALL of us, regardless of which party or parties we choose to support. The division that this has caused over the past two years is nothing short of abhorrent, and that surely flies in the face of everything that the EU and modern society proclaims to stand for. This division, and what I believe to be the inevitable breakdown of Brexit will only serve to underline that democracy is effectively dead, and I think that will be the point that I cease to vote, as participation is futile.

Again, it is certain that my humour has missed the mark on more than one occasion and for that I apologise, however I stand by my stance that we are being led astray in more ways than one, and at NO point has anyone (be it here, or elsewhere) been able to give me any logical information to explain the benefits of being a member of this EU club, and that really makes my blood boil.

 

And we were told the opposite by the anti-brexiteers, long
The referendum was called well before any of the factions, and not because of them, had a real campaign to further their argument. You know as well as I do that the EU became in the public's view over decades, not in a few days, the entity of bumbling bureaucracy, stupid and incomprehensible decisions over so many matters affecting the UK. The public suddenly realised that the EU was insinuating itself by those decisions in their personal lives and increasingly didn't like it.
I didn't vote to leave the EU "because it about getting rid of the foreigners"........nor did anyone that I know. That aspect didn't come into focus until the Media and organisations with an agenda decided it would appeal to those Nationalists they could feed that propaganda to. So the pressure to have a referendum didn't start in 2016 but decades before when people realised that the EU wasn't all that it was believed to be and in fact was mutating into a officious, monstrous, faceless organisation having a say in every part of their lives.
I disregarded all of the fluff, rantings, exhortations, of either side of the campaigns that erupted when the referendum was announced and I stuck to my reasons for wanting to leave the EU. The media were used by either side to feed fear, nationalism, bias and racial views to those who wanted to hear them and believe............and that has led to where we are now, people confused, in a state of fear and indecision. As I said, if you strip away all of that then you are left with one question......do you want to leave the EU or not? But the EU, the anti-brexiteers, the brexiteers, the extremists threw up every barrier of doom, financial ruin, inability to survive trading in the big bad world, be unable to travel, have the British people in the EU and the EU people living in the UK being told to pack their suitcases and be put on a Bus to be ejected..........and a lot of people on both sides took the bait.

 

Totally disagree with you, Freddy. We don't have any super brains, that I know of, on GC, but I do believe you are one of the quiet smart ones.

 

Listen, Guys, I'm the one around here who failed to get the Village Idiot's job because I was too thick.



I don't compliment people easily or generously. a side effect of being with the kind of people I work(ed) for but, believe me I meant what I said about Freddy.