Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Yeah, I do wonder if all those people that have demonstrated against Brexit realise just how damaging their actions are. After all, the EU are clearly wanting to punish us and make it as hard as possible for us to leave - - our own people, out in the streets, demonstrating against us leaving only strengthens the thinking of those in the EU.

This country needs a leader with the balls to tell the EU to shove off, then get back to basics such as housing, schooling, farming, defence and nursing; then make sure that we don't let more people in than we currently have the capacity to cater for, and finally renationalise transport, water and energy.

 

To be honest, it has never really been important as to what the plan for leaving the EU would be The problem from the start, and right now, is that the EU was/is never going to make it easy for BREXIT negotiations and would have disagreed with anything put forward. They, [the unelected EU Bureaucrats], cannot afford to let the UK leave the EU without penalising it as they have the rest of the increasingly unhappy EU members looking on.
No matter how we look at it, we've never been a full member of the EU as we opted out of the Euro currency and kept with good old Sterling. Germany and France have always held the reins in the EU politics and the UK has never really had a real say due to our desire to remain partially independent and that has shown in that our economic growth and power has not really grown in parallel to the two main EU countries.
But what has happened is the the UK industry and, more importantly, the younger UK population who have not known anything other than the induced dependency mentality of the EU, have been more entangled and tethered to, both mentally and financially, to the EU. We also seem to forget that there are a lot of large organisations, and individuals of power, whose financial and political agendas are linked to staying with the EU rather than what might be best for the UK.
So forget the political hot air, dancing, posturing, resignations, that seem to be throwing dust in our eyes and diverting us into blaming our Politicians, of whatever colour, for our present position, even though that is partially true, the reality is that no matter what "perfect" plan is presented to the EU, the EU will turn it down, call it unworkable, and present a wall of barriers that have been there from Day One.

 

Five MP resignations and counting.......

 

Pete, whenever have we had a united front from political parties on any issue??? I can't think of any time in British Political history where all parties have come together.
I guess it's in our blood to question ourselves, doubt ourselves, denigrate ourselves while our opponents look on, chuckle and rejoice. The EU has resisted the BREXIT decision from the very start, dismissing any options as foolish or unworkable, and we've gone along with that as a Nation, in the Media and even on threads like this on GC. We criticise our Government, MPs of all parties, while being divided among the British people and turning our frustration on the very people who have been working to negotiate an impossible situation of trying negotiate with unelected officials of an organisation that is determined to give us as little as they can while demanding as much as they can from the UK. A united front has to start with the British public supporting the Government no matter what. Has that happened?, no of course it hasn't. The Media has attacked and questioned every twist and turn, every plan, given judgement and then questioned just about every person in the negotiations in their ability and their political future, instead of supporting and bolstering confidence in our own abilities to prosper without an organisation that is showing it's true beliefs and views about our past and present position in the EU.
So, there we are questioning, unsupportive, undermining, the British negotiators of BREXIT, while hanging onto the words of the EU negotiators who's only aim is to give us the least they can, and yet I have to look carefully to see any criticism of the EU's attitude, tricks, barriers, and refusal to negotiate fairly. You want a unified front. pete?? Then I suggest we all take an long, and honest, look in the mirror and realise it starts with us and that we, Joe Public, is as much to blame for not presenting a unified front to the EU from the start while bemoaning, belittling, and being totally negative about our government, it negotiators while not even mentioning the EU attitude, apart from dismissing it by saying "well, that's what we expect from then" and accepting it.

 

Those two comments. clanless, seem to clash "we have a weak hand" and "it will hurt the EU as much as it will hurt us" If it will, as you say, hurt the EU as much as it will hurt us then that makes it even and negates the "weak hand". But despite that we seem to adopt the underdog position and start "biting at our own wounds" instead of biting the dog growling at us.

My point, originally, was that the government was being criticised for not presenting a unified front while we on the street have never presented a unified front and supported the government and yet we have not even bothered to criticise the EU but doff our caps to them and say they have a stronger hand. Even with BREXIT the UK needs European trade and Europe needs UK trade. Industry and money are both entwined in the EU and the UK and can't be cut at the stroke of a political knife as both will suffer, the Industry, the Financial Services know it, and they have let the EU and the UK government know it.

 

Interesting shot. It can show different things depending on your opinion of him.

To me it shows either 'determined', 'sly' or 'scary'. Take your pick!

 

No he is not - and therein lies my point. ALL conventional politicians are utterly useless, and time and again they demonstrate that they are only ever in politics for their own benefit. Any plans that are made are made in the relatively short term - no one has the balls to set a course that is going to take 30 - 50 years to see through, but in my opinion it is that longer term approach that is needed.

Do we need to be able to trade with countries in Europe? Yes, clearly we do. But, that should not be done in such a way that we cannot trade with other countries around the world. If you wanted to go shopping at Tesco and they only allowed you to buy stuff from them if you signed a contract that said you would never be able to shop with Asda, Morrisons, M&S etc, would you sign it? Let us also not forget that for all the EU postulate about their high standards when it comes to trade and products, that they presided over the horse meat scandal, the VW/Audi emissions scandal, the Daimler/Mercedes monkey gassing scandal, and now a listeria outbreak that they have kept quiet for over 2 years. Yeah, their standards are really worth sticking to......

For this country to have a chance, we need to grow a pair and not be afraid to tell those unelected, pompous eejits in Brussels just exactly where they can shove their complex demands; we need to look beyond Brussels and the EU and do more trade with the likes of the US, Japan, Australia and even China; we need to also look inwardly and sort out our housing, invest in our farmers so we have a reasonably stable food chain, sort out our NHS (and stop spending money on things like sex change ops for a starter for ten), and properly beef up our armed forces - - long term stuff, not silly wee policies that will be implemented in a couple of years.

 

Not only insulting, clanless, but to do so would fly in the face of democracy. Votes were cast, and the outcome was decided by those votes; we cannot decide to return to the polls because they didn't get the 'right' answer (according to those who believe the vote to leave was wrong).

I must admit that the way people behave at the moment really gets on my wick - - these so called 'liberal' people who are accepting of everything....... everything, except when you have an opinion that disagrees with theirs. And then there is the quite extreme reactions - vegans that are targetting restaurants with threats of damage or violence because they sell meat....... really liberal!