Brexit - am I stupid or what?

The EU does not want to punish us. All they are doing is attempting to strike a deal that is in their best interests which is exactly what the UK would like to do. It is normal and nothing to do with spite, vindictiveness or what have you.
We can deal with the rest of the world, we already have trade agreements with them (the economies worth bothering with) as a part of the EU.
Whilst tariffs were looking likely this morning they are beginning to look inevitable. These resignations have nothing to do with principles, they are nothing more than the opening salvo in a power grab at the top of the Tory party. We can give up on hanging on to the financial services sector as any glimmer of hanging on to the Schengen Agreement is gone - with that goes the financial services passport. The tax revenue from this sector alone outstrips the UK contributions to the EU (and that is not taking into account the UK rebate and the funding that comes back to the UK). Boris et al knew this but made no mention of it as it was not politically expedient for their careers to do so. Sorry, but the UK was duped by these duplicitous career minded opportunists.
So the EU is run by unelected officials. Just like Whitehall then. Governments are guided by philosophies, decisions are taken based on the facts provided by civil servants and the way that they are presented.
Manufacturing? The UK manufactures very little but assembles much more. Where do you think that all the important parts that make cars work come from? Does the average man on the street drive a British assembled car? No, most of them drive a European, Japanese or Korean car.
We get our laws back? Poppycock! There are approx 35000 laws on our statute books and about 60% of them are taken from EU law or influenced by it. Assuming that a fair chunk (possibly 50% according to someone that I spoke to) can be re-written by tinkering with current laws governing human, consumer and employee rights it will still take approximately 25 to 30 years to be free of EU law (based on the commons and the lords getting through them at one a day).

Sorry if this seems like a bit of a rant but it's how I feel. But the vote is done so let's just get it over with. It doesn't make a huge jot of difference to me as I have my house in the Canaries ready for retirement and and my residencia.

 

Did it really make Corbyn look that good? No wonder he was more popular than Nick Clegg.

 

On the BBC it now seems to be BREGSIT.
I've heard that a few times.
The BBC have been very much on the remain side in my view, the ITV, maybe not quite so much.

As to the people of the country, the result of the referendum really pointed that out, we know the people are divided.
But the government was supposed to be putting the result of the referendum into practice, and basically they aint.
Most have totally ignored the outcome as it is not what they personally want.

I'm afraid the whole process is now doomed to failure and those that stood in the way of creating a proper BREGSIT will jump on the bandwagon and say," we said it would never work".

Yes, it would never work because they didn't want it to, and tried every trick in the book to derail it.

 

Will that trigger another referendum? One asking whether we want to stay in or leave The Common Rule Area? Maybe the EU will change the Common Rule Area to something very different, like an 'ever closer' European Federal Rule Area - what then? This will go on for decades.

 

Had a quick look at the Brexit white paper - IMHO it does enough to break us free of the EU - whilst as far as possible protecting trade.

All those remoaners don't seem to realise - a trade deal with whoever - requires signatories to adhere to common standards - as we already meet the EU standards - why would we want to upset the apple cart at this time?

In terms of EU immigration - then anyone coming in must have a job to go to - so no exploitation of the benefits system - seems fair to me.

Watch now as Jez and all them lot try their hardest to get a no deal Brexit.

2 : 1 - it's not coming home after all - lets keep fingers crossed for the 3rd place play off - it's still a bronze I suppose.

 

I can understand being bound by EU rules for anything that is being exported to the EU, just like anything we want to export to any country in the world has to apply to their specific rules, that makes sense and I think has been going on for a long time.

I just wonder what the EU response will be, again, we are thrashing it out over here, but getting them to agree will not be easy.

I'm not convinced may EU migrants were actually exploiting the benefits system, I think most benefit fraud was from other countries outside the EU, but we need to control it, free movement is basically no control.
I cant see them going for that.

 

The problem is - it's all down to degrees (were not talking Diana Ross here and the other 2, whose names nobody can remember). Like many others, I voted out because there was uncontrolled EU immigration - putting strain on public services (in a time of austerity - but then that's a debate for another thread).

Tes's proposals tell me that there won't be a continued strain on public services - quite the opposite - the EU immigrants will be contributing.

Believe it or not - agreeing a trade deal with the EU is easy peasy - we/they already meet the standards - so why shouldn't we take advantage of this? If we don't like how the trade deal is going - we'll go down the WTO tariff route.

The EU will shortly start to twitch as the 29th looms closer - they want a deal - although I suspect pride will prevent them from showing it openly.

 

Lovely....what's your garden like? Sorry to derail the thread but I'm fed up with Brexit!