Brexit -am I stupid or what

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  1. longk

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    When @pete agrees with me on the EU I'll wear my boxers for seven days and then eat 'em :lunapic 130165696578242 5: Pan fried with garlic and Carolina Reaper chilli preferably!
     
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      We dont really even agree regarding plants.:biggrin:

      But we try:blue thumb:
       
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        The mental image of that made me wear my Special Jacket and take several of the Blue Pills, longk:doh::hate-shocked::heehee:

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          How come? Don't you like Carolina reaper chilles?
           
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            Chillies I can take, but the thought of you wearing your Boxers for 7 days and the increase in Climate Change because of it is mentally disturbing.:dunno::runforhills::runforhills::runforhills::runforhills:
             
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              I keep telling you that the blue pills are for something else. :nonofinger: How is it that you find it so hard to understand? :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
               
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                Good debate on BBC R5 Live a couple of days ago - one of the interviewees said "On average prices will increase by 4% if we go over to the WTO". Balance this against the ability to freely enter our own trade agreements - why is everyone panicking about a hard brexit? Lets use the 39 billion to prepare for hard brexit.

                6 month 'transition period' and then cut all ties - I say.
                 
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                  Off topic alert - slightly - :smile:

                  Not necessarily - the colour of MP's does not accurately reflect the political position of the population as a whole. Constituency boundaries do change - why? - well it's a good way to manipulate the number of MP's from one party or the other :th scifD36:. Proportional representation is the way forward a la referendum approach.
                   
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                    Proportional representation should be the way forward for all UK politics in my book, but then I would abolish a lot of local budgeting things too. Don't know if that makes me forward thinking or a dinosaur :scratch:
                     
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                      Proportional representation,compulsory voting,restricted postal voting,voting over a weekend,results monday,House of Lords reform,fixed term governments,election manifestos to be fully honoured,council tax reform and ending the bbc tv tax.

                      That will do me..........
                       
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                        The only thing I would add to that would be the ability to vote online - the arguments about security are a bit nonsensical to be honest, as financial transactions take place via the internet every day.
                         
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                          Tony Blair needs to go away and make more millions with his guest speaking rather than sticking his oar in where it's not wanted As TM said after hearing Tony had been stirring it for another referendum
                          "We cannot, as he would, abdicate responsibility for this decision".

                          "Parliament has a democratic duty to deliver what the British people voted for."

                          He better be careful for what he wishes for by suggesting it's ok to ignore the 1st vote in a referendum. That plays straight into the SNPs hands and gives them the chance, however small to go for Independence AGAIN (3rd time in my lifetime) There are many in England who don't seem to think they would be affected if Scotland left what would then no longer be the UNITED (clue in the name!) Kingdom. I think things would be very different politically down South. Take the Scottish labour/SNP vote away from Westminster and that would give The Conservatives, however dreadful pretty much a free reign for time immemorial.
                          Why do I bang on about Scotland in the Brexit debate? Because we are up to our necks in non acceptance of a referendum result and all the division and bitterness that has resulted from same. To those who think there should be another Brexit referendum ask yourselves the question. Which is more important, democracy or the probability that our economy will be damaged in the short term at least by leaving the EU? I know which is more important to me and consequently support TM wholeheartedly. As an aside I voted remain and have voted blue red and yellow, not green yet! in my lifetime before anybody thinks otherwise:)
                           
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                            @silu - your sentiments are bang on as far as I am concerned, and part of my thinking with regard to devolved budgeting mentioned earlier. For too many years now, there has been a splitting up of this country, and it has led to where we are now.

                            Some things should never have been devolved to a local level - now I am not saying that there should not be local controls or management, but there should be national standards and shared resource.

                            For example - a colleague of mine lives around three miles from me, and has an almost straight run to my local tip via A-roads and open country(ish) roads; but, he cannot use that tip as he lives in a different borough, so has to travel around seven or eight miles through town centre and traffic areas that are well known for congestion to get to his local tip. Why? He is a taxpayer the same as I am?

                            Also (and I have said this before), I travel through three boroughs on my way to work - one has excellent road conditions, one is terrible and the other mediocre; Why?

                            Things like roads, schools, social care, waste & recycling, drainage and so on should be at a national standard and centrally budgeted.
                             
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                              BBC R5 Live again - God bless 'em - apparently England; Wales; NI are Scotland's largest customer - why would you want to alienate your largest customer? Nicola?
                               
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                                We could learn a lesson from the Gibraltarians - 97% voted to remain - yet they have accepted the results of the referendum and are actively involved in the negotiations to get the 'best' deal - whatever that is.....
                                 
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