Brexit -am I stupid or what

Only if I could borrow your Base Ball Bat, Jenny, you know, the one with the nails sticking out of it, that you keep by the front door which has the WELCOME mat by it.

 

You think that racism had a huge influence on the vote?

So are you telling me that you have never seen or heard of racism, xenophobic remarks and attitudes from the remain side?

Attitudes have changed (thankfully) a lot over the years, and we do live in very different times - my own father was a bigoted wife-beater who hated 'effing foreigners' to the point that anything with garlic in it was foreign muck. I am not my father, any more than you are yours or your mother, and terms such as those you refer to have absolutely no place in our society.

However, to claim that racism played a significant part in the leave vote us nothing short of bull. There is as much prejudice on the remain side as there is on the leave side - - the Labour party seems to be wholly consumed by anti-semitism for a start, and then there is the statement made by one Mr Bray when he was arrested this week "you should know better, you're an immigrant" - - Mr Stop Brexit himself.

To tar one side or the other with that brush is simply not fair nor representative.

The really sad thing is that it is pot-shots like blaming racism for Brexit that have driven a wedge right up the middle of this country, and that is exactly what those cretins in the EU commission wanted to happen - divide us up, make us fight until they could bully us into voting again (and again) - yet at the same time they won't admit what is just around the corner when the Lisbon Treaty really comes into full effect.

 

I think we all do....

 

Good morning what about starting a new thread called"Brexit- I give up"

 

I'll try

The Dominican Republic and Haiti have an open border. Although they have two border posts they don't stop anyone crossing and there is no actual physical border anywhere along the map border. Anyone can walk across at any point. There is actually a highway that runs along most of the border with no barrier either side.

The border is in people's minds as it is racial and religious.

 

I have to agree with the vast bulk of everything here, with the exception of point 2 - the EU has been devious and bullying, and have done everything they can to cause or widen the rift within this country; Guy Verhofstadt being one of the worst, but not the only one, doing so directly on social media.

Whilst I can accept to some degree, the argument that we are the ones leaving and why should they give us concessions, the short answer to that is the fact that we have given them and other member countries huge concessions (writing Germany's reparation debts for a start) as well as being a net contributor for years and years. Throughout negotiations it has all been about what we owe and our divorce payment etc, but nothing about what we are owed by the EU.

I respect that the £39bn was partly toward things like healthcare costs and pensions, and that I have no issue with - however I am not convinced that it needs to be in a lump sum on that basis, as it will not be paid out all at once.