Brexit -am I stupid or what

All Prime Minister prologue Parliament during their terms, Red Wing. This is probably the first time that it has become obvious and public why Boris and the BREXITEERS want to do so. I don't see why you judge it to be "despicable" when, for the last 3 years, Parliament has been itself behaving "despicably" with the House obviously wanting to ignore the result of the Referendum in 2016.
We now appear to a Prime Minister, staying within the Constitution, who appears to be determined to abide by the result of the Referendum and having to resort to try to force a Parliament to unjam the mental/political block that has existed for too long. Parliament is itself behaving in a unprecendentedly machiavellian manner by, for the first time in a hundred years, passing Political legislation to stop a Referendum result in a deliberate attempt to override that Referendum.

 

Brexiteer or not, Redwing, Admin ensure that members retain the high standards of courtesy, and reasonable "language" in any thread and, to be fair, this thread, although controversial, has been consistently well monitored to ensure that has happened. However, throughout this thread, Admin has given some leeway to allow members, on both sides of the BREXIT opinions, to express their frustrations and disgust by indirect "language" that doesn't directly offend to anyone on the Open Forum but does help lower the temperature of the discussion and not create the imbecilic situation that now exists in the House.
However, if you feel that too much licence has been given for members, on both sides, to express their opinions in the way that they have, then please report the thread to Admin. I, myself, would stand back out of such reporting, to maintain the neutrality that GC Admin takes in such matters while having a consensus to reach a decision on the reporting.

 

Well, it is, pete, but then again it isn't. A bit like our MP's in Parliament, they say, on Oath, that they're supposed to listen and adhere to a democratic Referendum result, but then they say they won't.

 

Actually, that is incorrect, Redwing, Gina Miller registered in her application to the Courts as an Individual, but in the required Affidavit reqarding guarantees on funding listed a anti-brexit organisation as her major financial supporter. She was required to pay £15,OOO up front, but I'm sure she will get that back from her supporters.

That has been common knowledge for weeks and is another case a Public Figure being used to enter the Media Spotlight in the cause of stopping BREXIT. He, again, is being funded by a group of extremely wealthy "Establishment" Conservative and Liberal MP''s, the majority of the Conservatives being those that lost the Whip. John Major's standing with most of the Public is that they know he likes Cricket, but can't remember what he, as Prime Minister, ever achieved

 

Yes there are many people people against BREXIT in any form, but there are many people against staying in as well which is why the Country is so divided. But the facts are that a Referendum was taken and the result was to leave the EU. There have been many arguments to ignore that result such as, "Well, the Man/Woman on the street had no idea what it meant or the implications of leaving the EU", or "The UK can't/won't survive without the EU", "Leaving the EU will bring financial disaster". I don't think anyone, including the BREXITEERS, deny that there will be a rough period while things get sorted, but we will still trade with the EU as the EU needs us as a trading nation and it is a two way street.
But, I think Campaign Fear has, for many people, repressed any confidence that they have in themselves and as a Nation. Brexiteers want to leave for many reasons, some good and some bad, but Remainers seem to be gripped in a state of horror, of having to decide for themselves as a Nation, politically, legislatively, and in global trading, leaving those decisions to a organisation that is, essentially, unelected at the decision level, where because we have our own currency are not allowed to attend EU financial meetings where Europe is concerned, where at those financial meetings where we are allowed to attend we frequently get ignored and overridden by 27 other countries. The fact that the EU has increased it's legislative powers, both politically and trading wise to a huge amount, that the EU has openly stated that it wants to become an all powerful Federation with it's own Armed Services using the resources of the member countries in which, inevitably, those countries will lose all power to make any decisions of their own, seems to be dismissed, brushed away, because of the short term interests and fears that the EU and Campaign Fear has inspired.

 

I reckon so, Noisette, the first thing he did after not being a Prime Minister was the very noticable thing he did was to head for the Stadium to watch Cricket, as did Theresa May

 

Which obviously to some people makes me a PITA.

 

And that is the crux of the problem, Lori The House has failed spectacularly to come up with a BREXIT deal themselves in the last 3 years, have voted 3 times against the deal approved by the EU and brought back by Therasa May. They are now debating to bring back that deal, while knowing full well portions of them would vote against it yet again. They want an extension while having not a clue of what they could agree on as a deal while, again, knowing that the EU has stated that it will not negotiate a new deal and only accept the unratified deal May came back with, so having an extension is in reality a pure waste of time.
But to most of the Remainers that is purely irrelevant because no matter what the circumstances or deal that could be agreed to leave the EU, they are mostly influenced by their own circumstances, short term fears, Campaign Fear, and will not accept BREXIT, the UK having it's own true independence, so they cannot/will not accept any threat to their stability and so dismiss any valid reasons for leaving.