Brexit -am I stupid or what

The reason we are in the mess that we are now is that remainers have spent three years doing their utmost to overcome the result of the referendum.

At the moment they are hiding behind not wanting a "no deal", but they are actually not wanting to leave. Deal or no deal.

And in the process have stopped a deal for three years.

So, if in the unlikely event that we should actually leave with no deal the only people I can see to blame are the remain MPs.
They have stifled any real negotiating power on the side of the UK.

Sorry, but that is how I see it.

 

Correct, but to remove five days sitting when there was only eighteen days left is idiotic at best, underhand most likely and frankly about his own career and nothing else.

Probably best to read it then. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the current morass that we find ourselves in. Robert Harris is actually pro EU................

NPR Choice page

 

It is a perfectly good book and a very good ode to the dangers of tolerating nationalism. I would suggest that the more fervent brexiteers would do well to remember what nationalism did to Germany in real life and what becoming more inclusive has done for Germany since those dark days.
To my mind Dominion by C.J.Sansom is a better "what if Germany won" novel but Fatherland is a good read nonetheless.

Why? It sometimes seems that the EU flag is an object of hate here in the UK and that (very old) cover depicting it with the Nazi swastika plays into the hands of the more ardent brexiteers and the rubbish that they spew forth about the EU.

Just my opinions

 

Sorry @pete but it is quite different this side of the pond. Many politicians were forced to quit because of these shenanigans and Trudeau dumped someone in his own party less than 3 years ago over the same type of stunt from some 25 years ago and calling the guy a racist. So a little of the pot calling... He was just sorry he got caught. He also got called on for groping a woman years ago but we let that one pass as he was a kid but... his father was the champion of multiculturalism so the apple did fall fairly far.

He might get in again. We'll see. He's not evil. Just a little stupid

 

I remember seeing parliament on television whilst visiting. What does the broadcaster show in it's place during proroguing... old on the bus episodes?

 

I seem to recall that there was at least twelve of them wanted it and at least eleven were more qualified and competent than what we got.

With all due respect that is complete and utter rubbish and straight out of the Nigel Farage/JRM book of ridiculous hyperbole.

 

@longk, I have a great deal of respect for you but I remember you accusing me of taking the "leave" attitude straight out of Nigel's playbook and I was a little puzzled since I had stated my humble opinion about how I would feel if my country relinquished control over domestic and most trade issues to a federation bent on total control over my Canada.

Really, I didn't study, or in fact, even read this man's opinions.

Why do you keep accusing people of not having independent impressions and able to draw their own conclusions ?

Believe you me, I love your country and since my mother was a war bride from Darlington, I know the pride of independence that she held in every part of her life. She's probably rolling over in her grave at the economic surrender that has become the "benefit" of the union.

No, it doesn't affect me, but I am deeply troubled by the split this battle has caused and yes, I may be an old gal but I am still capable of forming my own opinions and also, am very respectful of other's.

And the only Nigel I've heard of had other people making plans for him

 

Slight exaggeration there, non? IIRC, the EU did make concessions, they just weren't considered enough.