Brexit -am I stupid or what

Hi,
Get in the queue, Green Knees, and you're more than welcome to do so!!

Me?, a Leaver?, whatever makes you think that?

Did we, Green Knees? Well, to be honest, I didn't. I'm not against immigrants, "one legged roofers", etc. Surveys, Surveys, Polls, etc., I have never let any affect my personal opinions and thinking, nor have I bought a newspaper for decades as they are either Bad News or Lies with no facts, but I do keep up to date via either means of Media in the hope I can dredge some actual, independent, neutral facts that might be true.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Statistics can be deployed to favour any point of view and the Politicians are extemely adept in that practice......so, as you can tell, I have not much faith in whatever of the thousands of "quotable" surveys and polls are out there.

Well, there's nothing in it for Brexiteers as such, but for the Nation there is everything. I've explained why I believe the UK must break free from the EU, it's overwhelming flood of Legislation designed to ensnare members deeper and deeper like a spiders web into it, plus the trading rules and regulations, so many times but I will again, and the rest of the GC can have a Mug of Tea while I explain again.
We joined a trading organisation, which you probably know, called the European Communities (Common Market)which we joined on 1st January 1973, and then agreed to continue the membership in 5 June 1975 solely for the purpose of trade. Please let me stress the latter, that is the only reason we joined.
That was fine, but over time the EC got bigger and slowly changed into the EEC, and then, in 2009, became the EU. By then the EU was no longer controlled by Politicians of member countries, and had mutated into a mainly political animal that had created it's own currency, all encompassing legislation, rules and regulations, abolishing the EU's member countries national currency, with only the UK declining to do so thereby retaining it's own financial independence.......and that is the only reason why the UK has the power to ask to leave the EU, while the other countries, particularly Italy, Spain, Greece, and Portugal, were/are shackled to the Euro and the huge financial debts they incurred to the EU. The EU Parliament actually sits, alternatively, in 2 Cities,(Strasbourg and Brussels) while using a 3rd European City for a administrative base. So do I wish the UK to stay in a mainly Political organisation that has openly stated that it wishes to become a Federation, already controlled by undemocratically unelected European Bureaucrats, that has openly stated that it also wants to create it's own Army, Air Force and Navy with it's member countries being the source of manpower and finance without choice. So in effect member countries, including Great Britain. and I use that term deliberately, would lose their national identity where they will answer to a unelected bunch of Bureaucratics.
Leaving the EU will, in the long term, mean we can trade freely globally with any country we wish to. We will retain our National Identity, Financial independence, Legislation, trading standards, have our own independent Arm Forces. Yes, the UK will have a rough passage for a couple of years, to be realistic, while we agree new trade deals with other countries but they will in the end benefit the UK more that being in the EU. I can understand why some Remainers wish to stay in the EU as it is because they have known no other and have been seduced and indirectly brainwashed to believe, and fear, that they and the UK cannot survive without being intraveously connected to and fed by the Protective, decision relieving, control of the EU and wish to continue in what appears to be the way to live. Empires(Federations), as History shows, only last for a certain period and then dissolve and fall apart, so what will happen to those "slave" remnants of what had been independent countries ? I'm not a racist, nationalist, anti-immigrant, or anything else, I just look to the long term future and try to analyse and determine the various paths the UK can travel and what is best for the country in as neutral a state of mind that I can.
And that, Green Knees, my friend, is the short version If you want the long version you'd better book some days off work.

 

To be honest, pete, I wouldn't take much notice of all the "official" leaks, rumours, quotes and tittle tattle at the moment as there's going to be a flood of it for the next 23 days whether we leave in a hard BREXIT or one with a deal" or not.

 

EU leaders criticise UK Brexit proposals

Just because it's an untested idea that doesn't mean it's wrong or a bad concept. Bloody EU 'leaders' will get everyone nowhere with that attitude.

 

Mr Barnier - "We need to have proper, rigorous checks all along the border of the single market. We need operational, real controls - credible controls"

So borderless border, as said repeatedly, is not a possibility so they've just been wasting time for 3 years. I cannot stand politicians.

 

Benn Act states the PM has to request an extension, not that its illegal to leave without a deal. That wouldn't be possible as the EU may force no deal upon us (in theory).

Last stages and we're into the inevitable blame game; there's never been a well defined plan, simply an rough idea of what could be done and that's on both sides.

The EU could have been more constructive by saying how they wold like to see something accomplished (ie the border) but they never have, they just left it for a plan to be submitted and after months of work from the UK the EU get to say 'nah. rubbish mate'. Rinse and repeat. Unavoidable conclusion is at the end point (now) everyone's blaming each other on both sides of the channel and on both sides of the House. Shambolic and pitiful.
The rough outline of an idea that parliament have is ask for an extension and... what? There is zip all to discuss. It's blatantly clear that the UK will not accept ANY deal derived and the EU will only accept a deal that ties the UK to them permanently. The only conclusion, for me, is that parliament intend in some way to negate A50 going against the referendum, the clearly stated ambition of the yellows but what happens in society if they actually achieve it?! Civil unrest?